Since being on Lemmy I feel like I finally found a place I can consider more similar to my home on the web… I feel like this is the real decentralized web, not the next capitalism nightmare which is the so called “web3”…
Give me some guidance! How is the federation thing going? What are some cool projects I need to know about? I know Lemmy, Friendica, Matrix, Bookwyrm, Mastodon, but I’m sure there’s more!
A few I’ve been interested in.
One I’m surprised I haven’t seen (although might inappropriate for the standard, no idea) is an activitypub messenging service like Matrix
The developer of Pixelfed - an Instagram-alike (and now Loops.video - a TikTok like platform) announced that he is working on an ActivityPub messaging service called “Sup.” There’s nothing else really known about it except that he’s developing it. AP would actually work fairly well as a messaging protocol aside from the lack of end-to-end encryption, but that too is being worked on.
AP would actually work fairly well as a messaging protocol
except when a temporary disruption in the connection results in new posts/comments/etc to not get delivered
But that’s true of any network connected messaging protocol, making sure a message is delivered could be implemented client side. The issue with AP objects not making it to other clients / servers is more about federation discovery.
no, it isn’t for
the client shouldn’t be dealing with issues between servers. that’s the servers responsibility. if the server has told the client that it got the message, what is there anymore for the client to do?
The issue with AP objects not making it to other clients / servers is more about federation discovery.
I don’t think so. if you know the recipient, you know it’s servername too. and then your server can forward it to theirs.
I think the problem here is that messages are not always delivered.
Federated Github? That’s… git.
Federated browsers? Federated hosting providers?
I’m beginning to think you might not fully understand what federated means.
Maybe just decentralized i am guessing. Like that would just be open source browsers. Not sure for hosting though.
Federated browsers
That’s literally just regular browsers, you can interact with any one of billions of webservers
Federated github
Git is federated by nature, you can add as many remotes as you wish and push/pull to all of them. Add in a mailing list for issue tracking and “pull requests” (patch submissions) and you’re golden. You can look up sourcehut to self-host a well-integrated combination of the two.
Federated hosting providers
Not sure what exactly you mean by this but maybe take a look at IPFS, although it’s more P2P then federation.
Federated internet
Internet is already fairly federated by nature - most commonly used protocols in the OSI stack are open and you can host your own components of critical infrastructure. Getting others to interact with them might be difficult due to security & privacy issues.
Yep, but the rest can mostly be replaced with a mailing list. Or, if you’re allergic to email, there’s also https://forgejo.org/.
I’m not allergic to emails, I use them a lot, but I think a mailing list is not a federated github, but a mess.
Forgejo is a much better choice in my opinion.
What can’t you get out of a mailing list? You can customize exactly how it displays, and SourceHut visualizes the code review part. What’s missing? (I don’t think reactions contribute much.)
to me it’s easier to look through an issue page on forgejo than a chain of mails. search is also easier: inside an issue I can ctrl+f, and across issues of a project there’s a search tool. but how would you search across all issues of a specific project (repo)?
forgejo issues can also have tags, associated projects and milestones for organization. also pinned issues for better visibility for newbies and/or easier access to anyone.
mailing lists are like a discord or matrix chat to me: a mostly disorganized flow of messages. probably there are ways to organize it, but doesn’t it need the explicit cooperation (e. g. in using a uniform formatting for mail titles) of all participants, including newbies?
You can make filters for specific mailing lists (in the worst case based on the reply-to header), and I think the tiny bit of convenience tradeoff for centralizing all messages is a benefit.
Fair point about filtering by labels. I personally think consolidated tickets (which are labeled and implemented by sourcehut) should be separate from issue reports, for less identifier inflation if nothing else.
a mostly disorganized flow of messages
Unlike chatrooms, mailing lists also have threads just like any forum.
