• panda_abyss@lemmy.caEnglish
    6 months

    At the risk of agreeing with Reddit:

    Under new rules rolling out over the coming months, a small number of users will be required to leave some of their moderator posts so that they aren’t moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.

    That sounds perfectly reasonable. Reddit has a massive powermod problem.

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
      6 months

      Yes, but they are also doing this to deleverage their mods and consolidate censorship power with corporate

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        6 months

        admins actually are the one that hold all the power on the site, mods are the plebs that have to play ball. admins are only 2nd in power to spez. they are the ones behind the aggressive somewhat indiscriminate shadowbans and purges. its only a matter of time before they drop the mask and increasing more right leaning content.

        • ronl2k@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6 months

          Mods get to control the political narrative of their subreddits by banning those with opposing views. That makes them more powerful than admins. As an example, Reddit has been so flooded with pro-trans mods that it’s almost impossible to make an anti-trans agenda post in most subreddits without being banned.

          • ein_zehntel_ruhm@feddit.orgEnglish
            6 months

            You may or may not be right, but that example is apocalyptically bad (and probably betrays that you’re not worth talking to, if it reflects your “opinion”), because, ya know, most people with even a slither of empathy within them realize that “making an anti-trans agenda post” is just being a despicable piece of shit. Which would make the mods banning that behavior kinda based.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
            6 months

            except it ultimately falls to the admins which institute all these changes, and filters to the site. mods are just patsies, yea there are problematic mods, and this at the behest of spez too.

    • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      Given Reddit’s past unreasonableness, I wouldn’t be surprised if this otherwise reasonable explanation has an alternative motive.

      • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        The motive is these mods hold a decent amount of power on the platform that they wish to reduce. They don’t want a repeat of the API protests.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        6 months

        Gotta boost user numbers.

        Or obscure them considering not letting people see sub count only daily/weekly activities

        • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auBanned from communityEnglish
          6 months

          Total subscriber number is useless, daily/weekly/monthly active users is infinitely more important and useful.

        • ronl2k@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6 months

          The user numbers were bogus anyway since Reddit didn’t automatically decrement the user number after banning a member. The banned member had to manually unjoin the subreddit. So the membership count was inflated with banned members.

        • FaceDeer@fedia.io
          6 months

          This is actually another of Reddit’s decisions that I’m in agreement with. Subscriber count isn’t a very useful number, it largely just measures how old a subreddit is. You can already see how old the subreddit is much more accurately by looking at its founding date.

          • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            6 months

            If they’d added, yes. But removing it completely is just a way to hide how many are on the platform.

            Or left in a protest

            • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auBanned from communityEnglish
              6 months

              You’ve got that backwards.

              Active users are literally all that matter. When a user is banned permanently from Reddit, they aren’t unsubscribed from any subs. They’re still included in the total subscriber number.

              Showing total subscriber numbers is hiding the details. Showing active user counts is the opposite.

    • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
      6 months

      True, but Reddit let this problem fester for a long time.

      What’s interesting to me here regarding this, is Reddits current preparation timescale. This isn’t going to be enforced until March 31st, 2026. This tells me that Reddit would have been unprepared for a complete mass-walkout of community moderators during the 2023 Reddit API strikes. A large chunk of Reddit during that period was genuinely inaccessible. But after a few token gestures and a few examples made of some especially rebellious mod-teams, most of the striking moderators returned.

      A huge opportunity was missed by people running major communities to functionally degrade Reddit in at least the medium-term as a website. You can’t just hastily promote random people to replace moderators Reddit is either forced to remove or who leave voluntarily. The average person is likely too lazy, too arbitrary and too corrupt to effectively oversee communities of notable sizes.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6 months

          it took another one from the series of purges this year too. i think the purges did alot more damage than reddit is letting on. since they were doing it for months on end, i was seeing a real decrease in users posting, and mostly it was replaced by bot posting.

      • Yaztromo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        I was on one of those “especially rebellious mod-teams”. We were even interviewed by Ars Technica about it all at the time.

        On advice of a majority of our users, we took our sub offline and kept it that way until Reddit booted us as mods. Honestly, this was the outcome I was expecting — hell, I was pretty open about goading them into it. What was the alternative — to cave to the platform that was abusing us so I could keep working for them for free?

        That’s the part I didn’t understand about my fellow mods from other subs. Many of them caved pretty quickly. Their identities seemed to be so tied up in being a Reddit mod that they couldn’t let it go, even though the relationship was obviously very unequal. Too many other people stood up after witnessing the mod abuse to take over from those who got the boot, just asking for the Reddit boot to be applied to their necks instead.

        Well, I wish all the mods the kind of treatment they forgave/ignored the last time around.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6 months

          at least you wernt like that anti-work mod that went ON FOX, that actually drew negative attention to the site.

      • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        Just remember, people will be more open to trying the stuff you’re into if you’re compassionate about the things they’re frustrated with!

        (This is intended for anyone who wants friends or acquaintances to try the fediverse platforms. For those who don’t or don’t care that’s perfectly valid too :)

      • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.chEnglish
        6 months

        I’m always like “who the fuck uses Instagram?” I guess I’m living in a different world entirely.

      • scintilla@crust.piefed.socialEnglish
        6 months

        First picture I found on Google for each because I’m lazy but there they are with pictures attached.

        Piefed
        Piefed

        Lemmy
        Lemmy

        Mastodon
        Mastodon

        Pixelfed
        Pixelfed

          • BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zipEnglish
            6 months

            To be fair, are there any social media platforms that don’t have a kind of stupid name?

            • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zipEnglish
              6 months

              Most of the big ones at least have some kind of coherence behind their naming scheme.

              The open source stuff is like: prehistoric hairy elephant, misspelled name of animal used as a metaphorical comparison for people doing dumb shit in a mob which seems to be insulting it’s users, and then some random words slapped onto the word fed - none of which sound good.

            • njordomir@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6 months

              I thought Diaspora was a decent sounding name. If it had more traction and actually pulled a sizeable diaspora away from Facebook it would have fit better than Facebook, Twitter/X, or Instagram’s names.

        • Sunshine@piefed.caEnglish
          6 months

          It’s like Lemmy but with consolidated comments, flairs, spoilers, polls, topics, feeds (like multireddits), proper blocks, hashtags, piped video integration, disclaimer messages, better mod and reporting tools.

          https://join.piefed.social/features/

          • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6 months

            Is it like, a whole other network with different people or is it like a different front-end to the lemmyverse ? This is kind of confusing ? And what about that “kbin” I keep hearing about, is that the same deal ?

            • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
              6 months

              Lemmy is a software that people can host on their computer, and many people doing that form what is essentially a bunch of mini-reddits that can talk to each other to create one big platform.

              Piefed is trying to fulfill the same goals as Lemmy, and is even fully compatible with Lemmy, so someone hosting a piefed server on their computer can join in with all the Lemmy servers, and to the Lemmy people, it appears to them like any other Lemmy server.

              But underneath everything, the code base is entirely different. The commonality they share, along with mastodon, is they all use ActivityPub, which is the standard that allows them to all communicate and be compatible with each other, just like there’s an email standard.

              Kbin (now Mbin) is yet another Lemmy compatible software that you can host on your computer, but it also tried to implement features that make it more like mastodon (twitter-like), so it can act both like reddit, with threads and comments and communities around single subjects, or be like mastodon and work with hashtags and following individuals instead of communities, like a microblogging website.

              They also use different interfaces, but it’s only visible to people who directly use that server; to others who access it from their home server, it’ll adopt the look of the software their home server is using.

              So as an example, you are using Lemmy since your home server is Lemmy.ml. if you visit a community hosted on a piefed server from within your Lemmy, like [email protected], it’ll look like any other Lemmy community.

              But if you directly go to that piefed server by going to https://piefed.social/c/fullmoviesonyoutube you’ll see it from the piefed interface, since you’re accessing that piefed server directly.

              All of three of the different federated Reddit-like softwares are intercompatible, so they all make up one big network.

                • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  6 months

                  I would suggest that it is as complex as you wish to know.

                  My explanation above is not truly required to effectively use a federated platform, in the same way that most email users don’t actually know how precisely email works, and would find an in-depth explanation of it very complex.

                  All someone needs to know about email is that they must login to their email host provider, and that every user they might send email to has a unique name, and possibly a different host name after the @ symbol.

                  In the same way, the only thing someone needs to know about this platform, is they must login to the same place they signed up to (their host provider). They can then use it in a similar way to reddit. They might wonder why usernames or communities have different names after the @, but it doesn’t actually impede using the platform to not understand.

                  If anything, that might make it easier to use than email.

  • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    6 months

    'member when redditors would ALL leave because of the API restrictions? This will have no real effect whatsoever. I’m glad that most redditors didn’t move to lemmy.

    • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6 months

      Some did leave, just not nearly as many compared to the numbers that claimed they would.

      Thats when I left and made a Lemmy account instead.

    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      I still have a Reddit account that I use to follow NBA news and discussions, but I found myself going there less and less over time because most of the content is just so damn repetitive. The bots are really going into overdrive as of late, and it’s making most of the big subs unusable. A lot of the small subs aren’t any better because they’re either controlled by some terminally online powermods or they’re some extremely unhinged echo chamber. That being said, Lemmy isn’t any better, but at least it’s more private and less corporate.

      • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
        6 months

        Some subreddits have become completely impossible to post to. Your posts get deleted right away.

        Plus, the option to default to Old Reddit doesn’t work anymore. So fuck them.

        • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6 months

          Some subreddits have become completely impossible to post to. Your posts get deleted right away.

          I think fauxmoi is by far the most egregious example of this worst. They delete just about everything. That subreddit is the worst on the site.

          Plus, the option to default to Old Reddit doesn’t work anymore. So fuck them.

          There’s browser extensions that force redirects to old Reddit, but it’s only a matter of time before they remove it entirely.

  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 months

    I have very little sympathy for reddit mods. Too many of them are petty little tyrants with no checks on them. I hope the door hits them on the ass.

    • bountygiver [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      6 months

      Most of the good ones have left since they locked off the API and make most of the tools stopped working anyways. They were already kicked off when they did the strike back then so the remaining mods are pretty much the power mods that taken over after said strike.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6 months

      Working for free for a major company should be considered a mental illness. If your going to volunteer your time do it to an actual good cause.

      Not fucking reddit.

  • ronl2k@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 months

    Allowing volunteer mods was dangerous enough. Allowing those mods to have unlimited subreddits was a magnet for agenda-driven operatives. The changes don’t really do enough to get rid of mods with an agenda.

    BTW, once a Reddit mod permabans you, there’s no way to appeal their ban. The mods can simply ignore your request for a review. Also, after you are banned, Reddit doesn’t automatically decrement the membership count. You must unjoin on your own. So its membership numbers are inflated for each subreddit.

    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      Mods should be forced to indicate what rule was broken when banning. All bans should be appealable on reddit and addressed by a human being. Mods who have a history of frequent ban overturns should be suspended or banned.

      • ronl2k@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        Mods who have a history of frequent ban overturns…

        Reddit mods don’t even have to answer your request for an appeal. So their bans are never overturned.

      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auBanned from communityEnglish
        6 months

        Do you realize the same thing applies here on Lemmy? Lemmy mods can just make up any reason or give no reason for your ban, and can ignore your messages and you have no way to appeal.

      • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6 months

        I think the concept of moderation by an individual needs more scrutiny. Why not build a software algorithm to allow for subscribers to vote on moderation actions?

        In other words, instead of vertical top heavy moderation, privide a more level, more horizontal process, where our peers play a significant role, or even act as co-moderators.

        We are recreating in software all the top down vertical hierarchies we tend to be sceptical of in the real world. Why?

        Imagine if there were no jury trial? How much worse would things be?

        So why do we build an online world with a lower standard than we use to build the physical world. That’s just sloppy.

        • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6 months

          I’d think then you’d hit the issue of a total echo chamber where anything even slightly challenging the mob gets deleted.

          • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            6 months

            That’s not necessarily an issue. The mob is often right.

            I’ll take the mob over the despot any day, unless I am the despot.

            • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6 months

              I have to disagree with you there. History shows the mob is rarely much better than the despot and the mob becomes the despot.

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
    6 months

    Limiting the number of large subs a user can moderate is a good way to a) limit their power b) reduce misinformation campaigns.

  • Chaoticjoy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 months

    Fuck Reddit basement dwelling mods and fuck Reddit in general, so glad I’m done with that shit app, I say something a little mean and I get perm banned, fucking losers

  • pleaseletmein@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 months

    I got my 15 year old account permanently banned for filing one report against a user who was stalking my profile to call me slurs. (This was “abusing the report button”, apparently.) Everyone in my household got their accounts banned alongside mine. It’s very strange how the site is being run now.

      • ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.caEnglish
        6 months

        IP banning in this day and age is crazy. Years ago I opened my app on hospital WiFi and instantly both of my accounts in there were banned for “ban evasion”. Clearly someone used that IP address to get banned and now everyone using the public WiFi there is just getting banned.

        It also made it clear that a big part of shutting down third party clients was so they could track us better. Made evident the minute my personal and work reddit accounts were banned together even though I never switched to the other login at all. With that move they could tie everyone’s throwaways back to their real accounts.

    • BanMe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      Yeah my 10+ yr account was like #340 in comment karma or some shit, I was clearly a contributor, but they banned me for nothing. Wish I would have sold it now.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      Yeah. When my 12 year old account got banned I stopped caring about that site and started creating new accounts every week and just posting whatever the hell I wanted without feeling like I needed to censor myself anymore. So their ban happy culture tends to have the opposite effect of what they want.

      There’s a browser script out there that auto-adds all your subs back from your old account, so it really wasn’t even inconvenient for me other than the 2 minutes it takes to create a throwaway email account and create a new throwaway Reddit account.

      And yeah, their methods for preventing you from coming back end up preventing others using the same computer or in the same household from coming back, so they just lose users. Their methods aren’t very sophisticated though, so it’s pretty easy to avoid them.

      Shit site.

  • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
    6 months

    Reddit users, as have Xitter, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, etc., have all demonstrated that you can do whatever the fuck you want to them and they’ll just keep coming back for more, no matter what.

    Even after decades of abuse, you can open up a brand new platform (Threads) and they’ll join by the millions.

    • lordnikon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 months

      Its like almost like the sites are drugs and the users are junkies that will do anything for a hit.

      • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        There’s a real sunk cost fallacy going on when you’ve been on Reddit for, say, ten years - until you realise that karma, reputation, and awards and stuff are just bollocks.

      • ceph@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 months

        I recall recently a post that alluded to the fact that the two industries that call their customers “users” are drug companies, and online services.