- zergtoshi@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Especially considering this was losless - strictly speaking only the compression of the SSD was… 😈
- recked_wralph@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Certainly interesting to have an algorithm that is extremely lossy (near totally) for the majority of inputs but lossless for some weird edge cases.
- 5 months
ATM machine. When people ask what that is being a smart ass, I say it’s their mom.
Rob T Firefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsBRB, typing my PIN number into the ATM machine to get some cash for SCUBA apparatus.
- 5 months
“Somewhat disappointingly, the images and videos shared in the report were taken in the vicinity of the ROV shop at the Marine Institute”
There, saved you a long read
- Skysurfer@slrpnk.netEnglish5 months
Unfortunately it only had older still photos and videos, nothing from the last dive. Looks like they had the camera configured to send the data to the onboard computers and those were smashed into a soild mass, of which, no data was able to be recovered from.
- brsrklf@jlai.luEnglish5 months
“and you can buy that exact SD card model for the low, low price of $62.99 on Amazon RIGHT. NOW!!!”
That might not be the weirdest, most awkward product placement I ever saw, but close.
EDIT : for those not seeing it, yeah, the article actually mentions that price and has a direct link to Amazon.
- 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
tbf, finding your product still working after the implosion is already amazing publicity
xthexder@l.sw0.comEnglish
5 monthsThe SD card was from inside a titanium cased underwater camera that was mounted outside the hull. It wasn’t actually in the implosion, it just survived the shockwave (which was probably 1000s of Gs, so still impressive)
- 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
funny how you downplay it all the way till the end, and anything surviving 1000s of Gs is incredibly impressive.
xthexder@l.sw0.comEnglish
5 monthsWell, it’s an order of magnitude less force than the “server room” experienced, considering the whole rack of computers was compressed into a solid mass.
SanDisk SD cards are actually rated for up to 500Gs, and with how light the SD card is, it can survive these indirect impacts more easily. “1000s of Gs” is just a completely random estimate considering how some of the other heavier internal camera parts were damaged (a circuit board connector sheared off).
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
5 monthsI will never buy another Sandisk product. They are as unreliable as cheap microcenter flash drives now. I’ve been burned too many times, and couple of those time were literal burns too!
- slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.orgEnglish5 months
Ads are getting insane. Youtuber making skits in the middle of their video to promote some garbageis dystopian as fuck to me. Mentioning product and where to buy it to what price, what is this shit, war of the worlds?
- 5 months
It’s all about conditioning people to accept having shit shoved in their face.
- Stupidmanager@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
“I don’t travel on potentially doomed subs without these 10 things from amazon, you won’t believe how cheap number 1 is!!”
- TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 months
Tragic? What was tragic about it? It were just some insanely rich doing something insanely stupid: dive in an untested home made tube built from rejected discarded build materials to dive to insane depths to disrupt a protected monument of something which killed thousands.
- IphtashuFitz@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
The kid that was killed didn’t want to be there. He was terrified. He only went because rich daddy insisted & paid for him to come along. That’s tragic.
- TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 months
Still a super rich kid who got everything he ever wanted, except for this instance.
- TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 months
I never said that. I’m just annoyed that when a rich person dies, it’s world news and “a tragedy” while when a poor kid or a non-white kid dies no one gives a shit. A school shooting and too man doors are being blamed and it is written off as “collateral damage” to preserve the second amendment but when a rich guy is killed the murderer is being labeled a terrorist and the death penalty is being sought. Steal 3 times something small from the store and get 25 years but scam thousands of people including the government for millions/billions and get 2 months if any at all. Why would I care about a rich kid when the rich only care about themselves. Sure, it’s sad for the kid he got pushed into something completely stupid and dangerous and had to pay for it with his life. At the same time we as the west are still supporting genocide and other horrible war crimes, costing the lives of thousands of children while people protesting this are treated as terrorists and criminals. It’s just a matter of perspective. Most rich kids end up not paying taxes like their parents and getting richer at the cost of others. So when a rich kid dies, I’m not going to care more than when anyone else dies. Especially when it happens by something so dumb as the Titan “tragedy”.
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish5 months
Those rich people are demanding Trump to take away the health care from millions, so they can get a tax cut they don’t need, and won’t even notice. That kid would have been doing the same thing in 20 years, so I don’t feel bad for him or any of the rest of them. They paid a lot of money for an adventure that would give them bragging rights, and got a bigger adventure than they bargained for.
- shiroininja@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
There was also a famous ocean explorer on board they were using as a prop for their company. He’d done great work exploring shipwrecks previously and not a billionaire
sudo@lemmy.todayEnglish
5 monthsAnd despite his knowledge and experience, chose to join the haphazard mission in pursuit of something he apparently valued more than the risks. So it sounds like he made a very clear choice and was dealt the expected hand from said choice.
- 5 months
I think maybe the point about the Kid is being missed.
Yeah super rich. Yeah didn’t want to be there.
But to change things you need people with resources on your side. The young are significantly easier to do this with.
If we demonstrate that we have empathy for all of the vulnerable (as we should) those young ones can see the power of empathy.
theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
5 monthsYeah, no. Kids want to be cool and respected, making it clear billionaires are hated will do so much more to wake them up
And once a billionaire gives it all away to become just a normal person (with a few million in the bank as a safety net), we make them a hero
LettyWhiterock@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsNah the young people are laughing about this as much as anyone else.
- Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
“Then I stepped back and gave them space to set [Suleman] up, because he really wanted to go,” she said."
This is from the mom in a BBC article. And he was 19 not a kid.
- 5 months
In older articles they stated he did not want to go and they never gave his age. Were they early attempts at propagandizing sympathy for the rich?
BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsYeah, hating on the kid simply because his dad has money forces him into an us-vs-them situation. It does nothing to help.
Not to mention, it is exceedingly gross to cheer the death of someone just because their dad has money.
- 5 months
I hate rich people too, but this is a reddit-tier comment.
Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
5 monthsTragic?
Try “predictable”
Please watch the Netflix documentary if you havent.
The sub was never meant for that depth and they knew it.
They could literally hear the carbon fibers snapping every dive.
They had to retire an entire chassis because it failed at similar depths.
Nahh, the tragedy is rich people think they are better than physics itself.
- floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish5 months
The tragedy is that more of these rich people don’t test that belief against reality.
Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
5 monthsAt least two billionaires keep firing rockets into space as a hobby. It’s only a matter of time.
Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
5 monthsAppeal to their vanity. Start saying how brave the astronauts are and make them celebrities. Give them all the credit. Don’t mention the funders at all.
Next ones go up with a billionaire on board for sure.
- 5 months
There was a tragedy. One billionaire forcing their child to die
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish5 months
it was DIY from start o finish on the craft. as opposed to spending 5-10mil on a spherical TITATANIUM sub. instead he used carbon fiber which was defective airplane parts.
- Rooster326@programming.devEnglish5 months
How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?
Well it’s a
spaceshipairplane, so I’d say anywhere between zero and one." - 5 months
So his goal was to make a deep sea taxi of sorts. Rich guy affordable and capable of carrying more than 1 or 2 people at a time. Based on what I’ve read and seen he had two main reasons for the design:
- Titanium/steel would’ve been too heavy and required a different design.
- A sphere has too little volume to carry the number of passengers he wanted so he used a cylinder.
His use of CF was not only mostly untested but where it had been tried it was found lacking. It is strong in one direction but not others. The manufacturing process was very difficult and fraught with issues. Making such a large component that thick meant many many wrappings that had to be precisely done. For instance, they would get bulges that had to be reduced immediately or they’d amplify with more wrappings. So they would grind down those spots and wrap over them. The problem here is now you’ve broken the fibers and created end points and fracture initiation points. Things like the junction between the metal end caps and the CF tube were also an issue.
He was very cocky about how often you could reuse the vessel and tried to be cheap on testing which would involve sacrificing vessels. At 5,600 PSI small things that you could ignore in, say, an airplane structure, become wildly amplified.
Personally I didn’t see the point of the whole trip except for bragging rights. You’d be watching most things on a monitor anyway and your porthole was this little, very thick, acrylic hole. You might as well send a robot down and watch on a screen on the ship.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish5 months
being a cylinder there was also greater surface area for pressure points too. i read the articles after it imploded, he reused the sub, after it already has been too deep.
- 5 months
It is also inherently weak. With a sphere it is all compression. With a cylinder you get compression and tension.
- Taldan@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
The main issue with the Titan wasn’t as much the depth as it was cyclic loading
Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
5 monthsNo, it was entirely the depth. They tested it in the lab and saw many failures but never changed the design.
- architect@thelemmy.clubEnglish5 months
I think it’s more like what are the chances it fails while we’re in it? Fuck it.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsConsidering that is basically the only time it could fail, I would say the chances were pretty high.
Nate@piefed.alphapuggle.devEnglish
5 monthsScientists were already able to recover footage of their final moments on the SD card
- 5 months
Yeah, but 512 GB? That’s gotta be overwriting some data. The amount of data generated by sensors is massive.
Static_Rocket@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsAnd what do you think that polling rate was to fill up a 512 GB SD card? It’s all speculation but this isn’t a super collider, we shouldn’t need sub second polling of a vehicle that can only move 5.6 km/h.
- BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 months
And even if you sampled at 10 sps, and did 50 sensors at 10b, you would still only be looking 5000bps or 5.8x10-7 GBps, meaning that it would take roughly 26 years to fill up a 512GB SD card.
While I don’t know for how long the sub had been submerged, I doubt it was close to a quarter of a century. If that was the case, I believe that we would have been talking about that as well. Even if it was 500 sensors, at 100sps at 12b we’d be looking at 79days.
IMHO there’s only a few things a 512GB SD card would be used for. And I hope it was music, because I don’t think we should watch the final moments of these people’s lives.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
It’s not going to have location data. GPS doesn’t work under even very shallow water.
- 5 months
Nobody said GPS (except for you). Location data does not mean GPS.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Ok, so tell me how you are going to get a location fix underwater, in the dark, with no landmarks to orient yourself, in constantly shifting currents?
Even the Navy’s most advanced nuclear submarines have to surface to get their location. This thing was a carbon fiber tube with an Xbox controller and an idiot designer.
- 5 months
I’d go for a mix of 50% sd cards and 50% controllers. Maybe 40/60, science is not decided yet.
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish5 months
I still have one of those. I use it to split bricks when I’m putting up a wall.
- 5 months
Bricks? I used mine to process diamonds. Cracked them up real good. It still had its shine, too.
- _chris@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Yeah we should build a bigger submarine that fits more billionaires. But no kids this time.
- _chris@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Yeah. One of the rich guys brought his son. Reported as “university aged” but still.
- jonne@infosec.pubEnglish5 months
Over 18, but still young enough to not be predestined to become like the other billionaires I guess.
- 5 months
His mom refused to go and tried to convince the dad to cancel the trip.
NatakuNox@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsOver 18, but he was the only one that doesn’t want to be there. He was scared but didn’t want to disappoint his father. That poor kid and his mother. Can’t imagine how she must feel. This is why being a good parent takes more than resources. I would never want a relationship with my kids where they felt pressured into doing something just to make me happy. I’d hope I’d make different decisions as a father if I was in that situation. My son openly tells me about his hesitant feelings towards an objectively dangerous trip, I’m not making him go at the very least. And I’m probably not going myself because me and my son can do something else together.
- Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 months
One was a kid, one was a person who spent a chunk of her life saving for a ticket.
Most of them were just regular people.
- NigelFrobisher@aussie.zoneEnglish5 months
I would never have gone in a submarine called the Tragic anything.
MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthslet’s be honest the biggest boat i’ll ever have is a 7 foot tin dinghy
MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsmy family uses “[being] on the submarine” as a euphemism for answering the phone on the toilet so i’m getting a little giggle out of this question
- 5 months
In this context Tragic was a title earned for their efforts. It’s like King Charles knighted the Titan, but since it was neither a Sir or Dame, it joined Titanic with the pronoun Tragic
- NigelFrobisher@aussie.zoneEnglish5 months
I always thought allowing someone called Ethelred the Unready to rule England was a clear unforced error.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish5 months
stockton is also the city in california its named after his family i believe. like the city, its a "shthole.
- rekabis@lemmy.caEnglish5 months
Damn, that’s promotional material that SanDisk would probably not want to have.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish5 months
Why? It wasn’t there submersible, their product wasn’t responsible for its destruction and frankly there is very little in the way of public sympathy.
The product is not even rated as waterproof and yet it’s survived months at the bottom of the ocean after having survived a destructive implosion.
That’s hella marketing.
- dev_null@lemmy.mlEnglish5 months
The marketing is more for the submersible camera that survived, just like it was designed to do, the SD card was just inside the camera and no water even touched it. I don’t think the SD card should be getting any credit.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish5 months
Yeah I know but marketing is marketing. It doesn’t really have to make any sense.
If the Xbox controller had survived I’m sure Microsoft would have made big of that even though it’s basically irrelevant to the product.
- TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
They didn’t even use an Xbox controller, they cheaped out and used an ancient Logitech clone
- Ronno@feddit.nlEnglish5 months
Why not? If anything, it shows how durable their product is. If it were my company, I would market the shit out of this.
Em Adespoton@lemmy.caEnglish5 monthsIt shows how durable their product is… when stored in an enclosure designed to protect it. The SD card probably didn’t even experience an increase in air pressure.
- ours@lemmy.worldEnglish5 months
Nah, more like great promo material for the camera that survived the whole mess mostly intact.
Too bad they dropped the ball by not having the decryption keys for the actual video on the card.
Edit: Apparently they’ve recover the files.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish5 months
sd is so sturdy it can withstand pressures of depts at 12000ft.
- 5 months
Gotta love that SD technology. Now if only we could build a sub with it.
The Velour Fog @lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsJust make the next sub out of SD cards, Nokia 3310 phones, piloted with a Logitech controller.
Wispy2891@lemmy.worldEnglish
5 monthsThat sticker “pressure tested” on the camera housing is not lying



























