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- 4 days
Good.
As a long time Manjaro user is good to see something happening.
As to why I’m a Manjaro user: I installed it on my laptop years ago and it served me well, with only a couple of hiccups (the now famous SSL certificate issue and some repo keys that were broken), nothing too difficult to overcome but that points out some major organizational problems.
Other than that, it just works wonderfully and I’m too lazy to hop.
- 4 days
Manjaro is the distro that made me ditch Windows completely. I even bought a Tuxedo Laptop with Manjaro preinstalled a few years ago, and I almost never had any problem (this laptop is still my main device, and I never reinstalled the OS). I love this distro, but if the financial situation is bad enough for them to fire the only full-time developer, it’s time to change things. If the community hard forks, I may follow. Or begin to distrohop.
4 daysInteresting. As a former Manjaro user (several years ago now), my problems with the distro were more with their approach to package management and the AUR. They withhold packages for the main repositories, but the dependencies for AUR packages will always assume the latest packages, so I would constantly get into these dependency deadlocks where I could not install or could not update certain AUR packages because the necessary dependencies were the incorrect version. I view this as a fundamental technical problem with their approach, and was my main reason for switching away.
Hopefully the new structure/leadership will result in technical changes which fix their issues. Though if I am being honest, the vision of a Manjaro with rolling packages is basically just a reskinned EndeavourOS, so I am not sure what they would need to do for me to recommend this distro to anyone.
- 4 days
This was exactly the same for me. Every Manjaro install I had broke sooner or later because of these dependency issues. After my 3rd or 4th try, I decided to switch to EndeavorOS which is extremely stable for me and serves me well for a couple of years now.
- 4 days
I just avoid the AUR on Manjaro whenever possible. It still works 99% of the time. The few things I actually need to be bleeding edge I will just try to build from source.
- 3 days
IMO they should have made this the official policy instead of adding optional support for the AUR in pamac.
At the end of the day, the AUR is just a pastebin full of pkgbuild files for people who know what they’re doing. And as a distro aimed more at the average Linux user, rawdogging the AUR probably just shouldn’t be part of the equation.
- 2 days
Everything is always optional for power users on linux. What I’m saying is they shouldn’t have made a GUI checkbox that’s also easy enough for non power users to check.
- 3 days
Could they not have created an AUR mirror and delayed that to be in sync with the main repo’s? It would have solved the AUR ddos that the Arch team got mad about a few times and the out of sync dependencies.
- 3 days
The dependency issues seem like that are a flaw in the Arch design. It is the only package manager I’ve seen that requires running the latest available version of packages.
- 3 days
Why should that be a flaw on Arch’s side, when it ooses no issue on Arch’s side? Partial updates are explicitly not supported. That would be fine for Manjaro if they would not encourage the use or for some cases even enable the use of AUR by default.
- 3 days
Partial updates are explicitly not supported.
This is what I’m referring to. Pacman is the only package manager I’ve used with this limitation.
- 3 days
Yes but that is on Manjaro if they do not follow basic rules from their upstream and not on arch. If you ignore design desicions then thats on you.
- 4 days
But why? Just pick a new name and fork, if there’s something worth preserving in the distro contents. I don’t understand what the something is though.
- 4 days
Just pick a new name and fork
They aren’t stupid to abandon the brand and community just like that and start from nothing. The team plans to start a nonprofit that will work alongside and not under the current Manjaro company. They do say that if Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG declines, or the feel that they are dragging their heels (which they have done) they will start a strike. They are doing this rn. If that fails then they will just move to the next stage which is to leave and/or fork the project.
- 4 days
That said, we have seen successful forks like this lately. CoMaps is a good example.
- 3 days
Manjaro itself is basically a fork of Arch, I thought. I’m not sure what its attraction is supposed to be, but I’ll take your word for it. I similarly don’t understand the attraction of Ubuntu over Debian.
- 4 days
I’ve been using Manjaro for years without issue.
It is the best distro for my needs.
- 3 days
literally impossible, even if it was run by competent people (it isn’t) its design fundamentally caters to no-one
want easy arch? Cachyos, endeavoros
are those too hard? Fedora, aurora, bazzite
The current design of slowing down arch breaks more things than it solves and just results in a significantly harder to fix setup.
the only people who like manjaro haven’t tried anything else and haven’t really thought about their distros philosophies at all, or just got really unlucky with other distros. There’s literally no reason to use this distro that isn’t just that you’re already used to it. That’s not even factoring in that the distro is a net negative for the community (see: ddosing the aur)
- 3 days
Neither CachyOS nor EndeavourOS get out of the way same as Manjaro. CachyOS doesn’t even ship with app store by default, which is an immediate yuck for someone who needs a “just conveniently works out of the box” distro.
Manjaro is the only Arch derivative that allows you to never even think you have Arch under the hood. It has all sorts of QoL improvements and graphical settings for everything, it has a smooth and beautiful integration of all package sources (something Arch is notoriously bad with), and if you don’t need AUR, package delay prevents breaking changes, helping you not to think about managing your system.
Manjaro is not for everyone, and it will definitely not satisfy a typical Arch demographic, as it’s made with different people in mind. Hence such an opinionated take on your side. Recent management issues don’t help, either, but that’s exactly what they’re trying to take action against.
In any case, it was Manjaro that served as my gateway to Linux, and it couldn’t have been smoother. No other distro I played around with made me feel confident in switching.
- 3 days
My recommendation for someone that needs an appstore with a gui is fedora, manjaro is terrible for this, because they have an appstore that regularly breaks and requires cli intervention anyway, if having a gui for package management is important to you manjaro is a terrible choice, as is arch in general.
read some of the comments here, this is not uncommon, and it’s a fundamental issue with the design of arch package management that has been completely resolved elsewhere.
No, I do not agree at all that that is a valid usecase for manjaro. Anybody who needs a distro that works out of the box and is convenient shouldn’t even be considering anything arch based.
- 3 days
Fedora is way more involved than Manjaro, and I wouldn’t recommend it to newbies.
First time I touched Fedora (that was 1,5 years into my Linux journey), I immediately borked it very hard when trying to install Nvidia drivers. For about a year that I used it since, it has shown itself as a generally stable, but involved distro that allows the user to shoot themselves in a foot and doesn’t shy away from turning folks to terminal. So, it’s decent for experienced users, but it’s certainly not for everyone, and especially not for newbies.
So, what do you propose for newbies? Ubuntu, with all its dumpster fire? Mint, that, for all its merits, stubbornly refuses modern frameworks? Debian, that will have a newbie drown in documentation? Manjaro isn’t perfect, and there are negatives to write about it as well, but it relies on Arch for good reasons that are often omitted. Arch is truly community-based, rolling release, highly supported, and very fast, which allows to bring all the recent niceties of Linux to any and all machines, no matter how close they are to the potato and how new the user is to the ecosystem.
- 2 days
you’re right, I oversimplified, bazzite is great because it’s unhindered by patents and preinstalls the drivers, I’d recommend a community fedora fork, the key being that it’s much easier to turn fedora into this than arch.
manjaro is this but with way more footguns, I say this having maintained a bunch of manjaro systems for people, switching them to bazzite fixed nearly all of my maintenance burden, because it’s easy to remove them from fedora but impossible with arch, intentionally, and by design.
If you want something easy that just works arch is very deliberately designed to not be that, on purpose, even.
- 3 days
the only people who like manjaro haven’t tried anything else and haven’t really thought about their distros philosophies at all, or just got really unlucky with other distros.
Look, I’ve used more different OSes than I can remember. I used everything from CP/M to Solaris. I’ve used Microsoft Xenix, HP-UX, OS/2, Haiku, BSDs, you name it. I’ve used Slackware, Knoppix, Tom’s RootBoot, Puppy Linux, Debian, RedHat Linux (not RHEL, the original), Corel Linux, Mandrake, Caldera.
I love weird OSes and their history. I think I have enough knowledge to jump ship when a distro is giving me a hard time. I use Debian on all servers, Xubuntu or Kubuntu (de-SNAPed, of course) on desktops. But my personal laptop is running Manjaro for years now because it works, stays fresh, and gets out of my way.
- 4 days
Acknowledging the issues and having a plan is a first good sign of trust. Executing is the other, so we’ll see how this will going. I personally lost trust and interest into Manjaro and switched away. From personal experience, there were technical issues (caused by Manjaro), and social issues (didn’t like the administration and project leader). But I hope they “recover” and be better, and survive.
- 3 days
I used Manjaro up until a couple of years ago. I don’t recommend it now. I switched to endeavor os. I hear cachy os is another popular arch based one these days.
- Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish4 days
yeah it actually is. if you’re looking for an arch based distro I’d suggest endeavour
- 4 days
This is just like that time they made a constitutional monarchy in France. I predict that the Manjaro owner will be too greedy like the King was and it will just end up in a republic (hard fork with name change).
- evol@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
I have a dream, that one day people will stop making arch derivatives that fragment the user space even more
- 3 days
Why should arch be any different - how many distros are there based on Debian (or Ubuntu, which is based on Debian)?
- evol@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
Are any commonly used desktop distros debian based besides Ubuntu ? Ubuntu derivatives are not as they follow the latest upstream packages 1:1 usually iirc. Monjaro has its own dependency update schedule so it creates a new userspace dependency set to build against. If 10 distros follow the same thing we have 10 different timestamps of arch you have to build against.
Maybe my info is out of date, I just use arch & fedora.
- 3 days
at least most of them do the healthy thing and just slap on a desktop theme and call it a day
- 3 days
Welcome to Linux town, man. Debian’s been bloody flogged into a million distros, but it’s OK. Arch will be too.
- 4 days
Man, it’s sad how effective peer pressure on the internet is.
It’s another reason why I don’t take most people on it seriously.
