• 2 hours

    Since data centers will be run by nuclear power on-site in the future they will soon have both…

    • 2 hours

      Why build a nuclear power plant with your data center if you could just get power from the grid and drive up everyone else’s price too? It’s cheaper for the data center operator.

      • 18 minutes

        Because eventually the grid electricity costs too much. If you consume more than the community, then the prices will be astronomical. Then it is profitable to build a power plant. If they are generous, they could even sell some electricity to the community for a “reasonable” price.

  • 3 hours

    Well yeah. Nuclear power plant somehow manage to consume less water

  • 2 hours

    I would honestly rather have a loaded nuclear silo right underneath my house than a massive AI data center within 1000 miles of me

  • 3 hours

    Of course, one of them actually does good for my community.

  • I want both nuclear power and AI to be commonplace.

    Where the latter is concerned, it should be decentralized by law: Individual households can own a home server, and in turn, rent or loan their compute to organizations. The reason for this, is to limit the power of corporations and force them to abide by the will of ordinary people, rather than being able to hoard technological power to fuck over the government and citizens. The same applies to robots capable of replacing human labor.

    We should not reject AI nor automation, and instead seek to ensure that they can’t be used against the interests of the public good. Mindless rejection, just ensures that bad actors will eventually have sole mastery over these resources.

    • Can you ten us more about these Bad Actors? Are they in the room with us, right now?

      • 49 minutes

        All sorts: the Epstein Class, corporations like Blackrock or Blackwater, the Heritage Foundation, cults, corrupt government officials, grifters, and so forth. They might not be physically in our rooms, but their influence colors our everyday life, in ways great and small, often beyond our perception.

        Fact of the matter is that there are many forms of power and methods of applying it - AI is no different. Like any tool, it doesn’t care about how it is used or abused. Humans have to decide whether they wield the power of the tool, and to what end.

        A shovel can dig gardens and mass graves alike. A good person tries to prevent whatever causes the latter outcome, and encourage the former.

  • Nearly 50,000 residents of Lake Tahoe, a popular tourist destination in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, have been told their utility company will stop providing them with electricity in 2027. The utility, NV Energy, will instead use that power for data centers in northern Nevada, one of the fastest growing data center corridors in the nation and where Google, Microsoft and Apple have all either built or planned facilities, Fortune reported. Residents have until next May to find a new electric provider.

    Wow, that’s rather appalling. Ars has a longer write-up about it.

    • 3 hours

      “You will no longer be provided power in 7 months time, good luck.” - Their local power company.

    • 3 hours

      Utah just approved a data center that is supposed to be larger then Manhattan. And uses more power then the entire state currently. We are so fucked.

  • I want to say “no shit” but then I remembered that most people have no idea how safe nuclear reactors actually are

    • There’s a huge anti-nuclear crowd, I’d prefer we focus on renewables as much as possible but it’s stupid not to phase out oil/gas for nuclear as a more consistent source.

      • 6 hours

        There’s a huge anti-nuclear crowd

        Which was grass-rooted by oil companies back in the 70s.

        • Source? Most if not all in “anti-nuclear crowd“ (in Germany) are also against the burning of fossil fuels. Instead they really like renewable energy like solar or wind. See the history of the German Green party for reference which was founded out of the anti-nuclear grass roots movement and they are also opposed to the burning of fossil fuels. I don‘t know if that‘s different in other countries.

      • Nuclear is THE single most expensive source of electricity on this planet. So economically it makes zero sense to switch to nuclear. Other than that I agree with you.

        • 4 hours

          Because of all the red tape and overzealous safety regulations slapped on it because of fossil fuel lobbying. The fact that it can be profitable or exist at all today despite having a boot on its neck for the last 60+ years says a lot about its viability.

      • 7 hours

        I’m anti-nuclear, but it’s because nuclear is so much slower to build and more expensive than solar or wind so the fossil fuel industry is pushing for nuclear to delay the transition away from fossil fuels and use up all the funding.

        If you have nuclear plants, you’ve paid to build them and you’re on the hook for decommissioning costs, sure, keep running them. Starting construction on new nuclear in 2026? That’s a terrible idea.

        You won’t be up and running before 2040 and you’re not going to be competitive against 2040’s renewables and batteries, never mind 2070’s.

        • 3 hours

          The 20+ year time to build is at best the direct result of lobbying and NIMBY and realistically just propoganda by antinuclear. The US mean for nuclear construction to production is 8 years. Japan has it down to under 5.

        • China is building them in 5-6 years, the best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago and the second best time is now.

          • 5 hours

            We can’t build them in China, though. Only China can do that. My country doesn’t even have an existing nuclear industry.

            Sure we could start building reactors now, but we can get enough solar and battery storage through the night for less than nuclear would cost.

          • Props to China, but I know how long building projects take in my country. The plan will say 15 years and it will be done in 25 for 3x the price. And all that to have it produce a kWh for 0.50€. No, thanks.

            • So don’t build 1-off designs, look at the most expensive parts of plant construction, and lower those costs. China’s nuclear industry isn’t just some construction company that commissions bespoke parts for each nuclear plant, it extends to from heavy forging capacity shared with ship-building to colleges producing construction managers.

      • Given the massive amount of land we have renewables are the clear winner. Densely populated countries, with little to no coastline, would get better use out of nuclear.

        • Yes that’s why I said both, renewables require a lot of space both for generation and storage and generally has peaks and valleys on generation, vs nuclear which can consistently provide a stable amount generally.

      • Even if/when we replace fossil fuels with renewables, we still need a solution for surges, and nuclear would fit that very well

        • I thought nuclear was slow to ramp up and down and basically has to operate 24/7, providing a baseload. Batteries otoh are the quickest source to respond to surges from my understanding. Renewables+batteries are have been cheap enough for years that they’re also good for baseload.

        • 7 hours

          I live in a dry but mountainous area. I’d like to see them pump water uphill with any overpower so we can just use turbines to recapture that energy later. The average american keeps impressing me with their turnip-level intellect to the point where I don’t want them running a carwash, much less a nuclear reactor. There are a lot of IRL Homer Simpsons out there.

      • 10 hours

        And also really depends on the needs of the community. Solar, especially, can be deployed cheaply and relatively quickly, and may meet the needs of the community while phasing out oil and gas. Nuclear power plants are very expensive to build and take a really long time, but provide a large amount of power. A local community may not need a nuclear power plant.

        Nuclear power plants are also expensive to maintain and tend to attract questionable investors.

        • “tend to attract questionable investors” what does this even mean, every industry attracts questionable investors and there’s basically zero nuclear in the US to even gauge that from.

          • 7 hours

            He’s talking about that shady coyote who’s always chasing after that flightless bird.

            • Tangentially related, anyone else excited for Coyote Vs. Acme? It looks fantastic IMO, the premise is a 10/10 idea.

    • 10 hours

      Well when annoying orange decided to cut the safety regulations on nuclear they became a bit more sketchy but yeah still would rather have that than a data center… One benefits all and the other benefits shareholders feelings till the bubble pops

    • 11 hours

      I know how safe they haven’t been - so that’s something.

      I know environmental regulations mean nothing anymore and safety costs a lot of money. And profit is always the aim.

      I’m sure it’s decades ahead of what was tried in the 70s and 80s. I’m sure it’s light years over coal and gas. And yet, I’m hesitant.

      Can we just have renewables please? Look- other people got ‘em all over now. Wind, solar, wave, geothermal, battery types and capacities improving all the time. Ffs this was what it was it was supposed to be the whole time.

      • 4 hours

        You can probably name every major nuclear accident or incident that’s ever happened. Not because they were all major catastrophes that caused mass loss of life. But because they happen so infrequently and blown out of proportion.

        Fukashima was the worst accident in the last 30 years with 0 fatalities. In the US alone over 100 people died due to wind turbines from things like falling ice or structural integrity failure. None of those people worked on turbines and happened to be bystanders to the incident.

        Things like fossil fuels have thousands of deaths. But you’re trying to say nuclear is dangerous?

        • There is at least one fatality. Reported in 2018, a worker has died from a lung cancer. 2400 people died during the evacuation.

          The number of deaths in these “accidents” is minimized, partly due to a lack of transparency and government interests, and partly because it is often difficult to establish causal links. Finally, the calculation models are outdated and rely on datas from Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.

      • 6 hours

        I know how safe they haven’t been

        No, you really don’t.

        Compare what you think you know with the reality of how nuclear power is used all over the world and safely.

        Even Fukushima wasn’t that bad in terms of human casualties. It was the tsunami that caused all the loss of life and damage.

        Not to say that the Fukushima nuclear incident wasn’t a disaster. But there were no direct deaths from it, and as far as anyone knows, no one has died of even indirect causes.

        And there are a LOT of operating nuclear plants all over the world.

        Edit: nuclear power generation has the 2nd least amount of deaths attributed to it out of all energy sources, beaten only by solar and only by a small margin.

      • 10 hours

        Ok, how safe haven’t they been? How many were worse than deepwater horizon?

        I’m guessing you’ve happily consumed what was given to you on a spoon and accepted that it was representative of the bigger picture.

        I grew up an hour from a 1GW reactor that got shut down in part due to “concerned citizens” like yourself. The site it stood on is still periodically checked by the DOE but is now a recreational area. How often do old coal plants do that?

      • 10 hours

        Hydropower causes more deaths than nuclear reactors

        sauce

        Edit: sorry, changed the link because I had copied the wrong one. New one is not AI slop, I apologize

        • And those windmills are probably chopping up squirrel suit base jumpers on like a daily basis now too.

        • 11 hours

          Yeah I could see that. But it’s not a particularly strong argument for nuclear. Just a strong argument against terraforming.

  • 11 hours

    Well nuclear power plants create something more useful than ai data centers, nuclear waste.

    • 4 hours

      Much of which can be used in hospitals for life saving medical uses! Double dunk on AI failures.

      • I still remember learning that and about breeder reactors (they produce fissile material from common isotopes) and feeling so betrayed by the common zeitgeist

        • Indeed, nuclear is among the safest and cleanest forms of energy currently available to us! All the waste in the world for life barely fills a few football fields’ worth of space, if I recall correctly.

            • 7 hours

              One football field 10 meters high

              You’re mixing US and metric measurement systems there. You should either stick to meters or come up with a sports analogy for the height.

              • 2 hours

                11.574 standard National Baseball League baseball bats high

              • What if their from the parts of the world that call “soccer” football and also use metric? Which is basically everyone.

    • 11 hours

      Some groups have started to extract materials from nuclear waste that can provide Targeted Alpha Therapy for cancer patients, so very true.

  • Unpopular opinion: wouldn’t it be nice if the government wasn’t against renewable energy? That way the data centers could use that instead of leech off of our supply.

    Doesn’t fix the issue with water though…

    • 8 hours

      If they would use a closed water cooling system it would be less of an issue.

      • 4 hours

        They could also use geothermal for significantly cheaper and environmentally friendly long term climate control but they don’t want to pay the up front construction costs.

  • Electricity production vs electricity waste, the choice is pretty obvious honestly.

    Ignoring the fact that I also don’t think I could trust any company in 2026 to maintain a nuclear power plant well, it feels like we’ve actually gone backwards in that front specifically.

  • Nuclear means cheap power and skilled jobs. DCs mean a draw on power and just take up everything that makes a community worth having. Stop them from coming in and eliminate the ones they got past us.

  • Let’s be honest, with AI you’ll get both right next to you competing for the use of water.

    And you know when the Nuclear plant needs the water to prevent a meltdown, you know who will get the water.