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They need to fire their CEO and get an executive suite that can develop good products and not just copy Google while adding keywords related to “privacy” and “freedoms” in their marketing copytext.
That’s the exact same thing as Google.
I say this as long time Proton user and subscriber.
Imo, having Proton just copy Google but actually be private is exactly what I want. Of course, if they stray away from privacy then there will be issues. I also feel like they are making good stuff. As a subscriber myself I don’t have many issues with their offering other than the stuff they don’t provide but Google does.
I mean… Why not?
I want Gmail without Google. Protonmail sells that to me, seems like a win/win.
Same for other services.
For those who didn’t read the article
“If the proposals pass, Proton’s services in Switzerland would be less private than Google’s,” Mr Yen told Le Temps. Frustrated by the lack of assurances from Beat Jans, the federal councillor overseeing the matter, Proton has opted to halt Swiss investments and shift its infrastructure plans abroad. Its artificial-intelligence data centres, deemed especially sensitive, will be located in Germany and Norway and involve investing CHF 100 million.
Proton AI never makes sense in the first place.
Not a single soul asked for it, waste of company resources.
People here be acting like no one uses chatbots.
I like Lumo, be it only because I can use it instead of US or Chinese LLMs. Hope they help drive european AI development. And I’m quite sure Proton thought about their 1 billion investment a bit before announcing it.
You can refuse to use LLMs, but I doubt the use of AI will ever decrease again.
Mistral AI is another EU alternative for now. There is talk into it being sold, but for now it is still from Europe.
Their chat is still running in the datacenters of one of the three big us cloud providers, but at least the models are European for now.
Yeah Russia’s the only one who gets Proton data
Wrong bogeyman here, the more worrying problem is the CEO endorsing the US republicans, seemingly (and charitably) due to the ostensibly pro-privacy policy position, ignoring all the other policy advocation attached to endorsing them or their track record of doublespeak particularly around things like privacy.
such a large statement with such little evidence
Would you mind elaborating?
No so does France. Proton helped convict a French environmental activist by providing the courts full access to their private proton account.
Proton nor Tuta nor anybody else is above the law, you can read independant reports on the matter https://scroll.in/article/1084862/why-a-court-ban-on-encrypted-email-service-proton-mail-has-sparked-digital-privacy-fears or Proton’s own post about it https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
But I don’t believe that their entire account was shared with the police, but if that actually did happen and you have a proper source for it I gotta think to move my mail after all, so could you please share with the class where you read this?
Tbh, it’s not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven. The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.
This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.
It’s not about the law, but what’s right to me.
Proton according to this post is virtue signalling. Claiming one thing, then doing the other.
It is about the law, though. Proton has always been clear about the possibility that they are required to hand over data if the Swiss government requires it: https://proton.me/legal/transparency
So IDK where you are getting that they are saying one thing and doing another thing and even more important where you got that they shared ENCRYPTED data. Cause if they have the ability to even do that I have to rethink my choose since that should be impossible if Proton did it correctly and are trustworthy.
