About the Online Safety Act in the UK and the Digital Services Act in Europe
I’ve already said goodbye to “the internet” 3 times. Social media destroyed web 2.0, which destroyed the original web, which destroyed the original Usenet and telnet internet.
i’m looking forward to the more decentralized internet that’s brewing up here.
The web is still heavily centralized.
It’s also much bigger than it was back in the day.
Even a fraction of a percent of people using decentralized services is probably bigger than the early web ever was.
If someone has a suggestion/link on how a decentralized web grows past DNS I’m all ears.
Something like Lemmy could form a pretty good foundation. Onion routing already has created a “parallel internet” that depends 0% on DNS, and Lemmy instances would federate today (with whitelisted federation) via /etc/hosts with no DNS involved. It wouldn’t work well, it would have problems, but if someone actually tried to make it work moderately well, the whole model of “admins running servers which it’s your problem to get connected to, and then they know how to federate to each other because all the admins talk with each other” could work itself around over time into something that actually had some pretty strong robustness to it.
There are other attempts (Holepunch, Freenet, all that jazz), but actually Tor and Fedi things probably have the best claims to being able to turn into something realistic that didn’t need DNS, over time. You just couldn’t talk to it until you set your machine up to be able to get the initial connection going, but that’s not fatal, the whole internet used to be a lot like that way back when.
If these types of laws keep coming there might be a lot of legal liability for running instances of things
You delete comments & have an emoji for a username. Go back to Facebook or wherever you belong. We don’t want people like you on the “better internet”
coming from a conservative media outlet instantly tanks any claim’s credibility imo
I have read maybe half, and the cringe in this piece is intense.
Imagine plauding
Musk’s commitment to maintaining free speech on X.I mean, there are problem with the DSA and there are plenty with Online Safety Act, but maybe try to SIMP for fascist Big Tech a little more discreetly?
The UK populace doesn’t get nearly enough shit for all of the bullshit they have caused. They are the fucking Alabama of Europe.
The ruling British class, sure. The average British citizen is impacted by this, rather than enacting the change though.
It’s kind of like how a select few people in the states decide healthcare shouldn’t be affordable, and everyone else just has to accept it; despite living in one of the richest countries in the history of the human race.
The reality is both nations have the same group of people pulling the strings behind the scenes; anyone who believes they have any say in either country is either not paying attention, or an idiot.
You can tell by the way their teeth are 🧐
this community is dead, the day Canada, U.S. and Eu asks lemmy to “verify” our ages
or we’re all on a vpn connected to a server in ??? Mongolia?
Same shit coming to Australia
Funny how freeze peach sublimates directly into censorship vapor the moment liberals lose their cultural hegemony.
Dude you’re on the instance where it is forbidden in worldnews to say “Fuck (a particular country which will remain nameless)”.
Literally the only one. You can say “Fuck the United States” or “Fuck Israel” everywhere on Lemmy, or near enough, which of course is as it should be. But if I start stepping on the wrong massive state actors’ toes from one particular instance…
The difference is that communists accept the need for censorship and are open about why some ideas need to be suppressed. However, liberals hypocritically claim to stand for free speech and claim this is the key differentiating factor between liberal democracies and socialist systems, but only tolerate speech that they deem acceptable.
The difference is that communists accept the need for censorship and are open about why some ideas need to be suppressed.
Because some ideas are so destructive to your whole model that they have to be suppressed, because these models in their practical application are often sort of un-defendable, and so the only option is to have secret police running around shooting dissidents.
It doesn’t mean that liberal democracies don’t fall into the exact same pattern, to some extent large or small. It is in the nature of human power struggle. It’s not innate to any particular political system (or it is innate to all of them because they’re all made of people). The difference is that we don’t celebrate it or make excuses for it. We publish books about what a lie the government is telling, we have a constant struggle between the forces of freedom in the streets and the government trying to stamp it out. Sometimes different factions get the upper hand, or it switches.
The difference, as you brilliantly demonstrated here, is that some of the most thickheaded of communist supporters get themselves turned around sufficiently that they start supporting the government trying to stamp it out. Most sensible people, when the government tells them that some ideas need to be suppressed, and they need to imprison or shoot anyone who’s opposing their power, can figure out that’s a bad thing. You apparently cannot.
The difference is that we don’t celebrate it or make excuses for it.
Except you do constantly make excuses for it, as you brilliantly demonstrated here. You want to pretend that you support more freedoms than communists, but in practice you just champion your own set of capitalist values.
Okay, this is clearly going to be a waste of time. Tell you what: You’re clearly never going to admit that you’re wrong about this, and obviously I can’t force you. It seems like you’re actually sort of enjoying how easy it is just to keep typing “freedom is an illusion anyway and that’s why I had all the opposition shot and that makes perfect sense” and similar things and no one can stop you.
Let’s do this: Tell me a format within which we can have this conversation, and get some kind of feedback or judgement about who it is that’s able to prove their case. If you want to propose a framing of some sort, and go within that, I’m happy to talk about it with you. If not, I think it’s just going to be you insisting that Stalin-style/Trump-style governance is justified until I get bored or frustrated and abandon the conversation.
I’m not a debate pervert. I’ve made my point clearly here already. I don’t need to convince you of anything. The fact that you use Trump and Stalin in the same sentence shows profound ignorance on your part. There is no point attempting to have a discussion with people who have strong opinions on subjects they have no understanding of. I’ll leave you with what the CIA had to say on the subject. I would hope you’d use this as an opportunity to educate yourself, but I know that you will not.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
I’m not a debate pervert.
I mean it definitely sounds like you are lol
The fact that you use Trump and Stalin in the same sentence shows profound ignorance on your part.
They both aspire to throw their domestic enemies into a network of shadowy prison camps or kill them outright, they both claim the establishment opposition needs to be disposed of, they both claim that censorship is necessary because some ideas are wrong and the leader needs to be in control so he can keep the wrong ideas away. There are some important differences, too, but certainly they belong in the same sentence. Trump’s just a lot less effective, is actually the main difference I see.
There is no point attempting to have a discussion with people who have strong opinions on subjects they have no understanding of.
Sounds good! Let me check your qualifications, that’s a really good point, I did have a sense that there was no point to having this conversation with you, and this sort of gets to the heart of why lol.
- What did Stalin have done to most of the KPD members who fled Hitler to the Soviet Union?
- Why did the USSR ultimately collapse? What should be done differently to raise up the next massive wonderful communist state? Or nothing, they did everything fine?
- Which direction did people generally flee across the Berlin wall? Why?
- How would you characterize China’s modern government, in one or two words? Marxist, communist, gangster-capitalist, what?
You can write fuck China on Lemmy.ml if it’s relevant and motivated. The difference is that it’s always obvious why the USA and Israel should be condemned. I think China’s Israel stance is super weak, and I doubt I’d get mod pushback for saying that in an article about how China keeps selling genocide-equipment to Israel during a genocide. Or about how China is pushing for a two-state solution instead of saying Israel is illegitimate and should be dismantled.
If you go “Fuck Cameroon” on an unrelated post, for example this one, a mod would rightly tell you to be civil or at least explain yourself. And if you then justify yourself on a basis of white supremacy or conspiracy theories as you are bound to do, then that reasoning will be rejected.
Europeanconservative, really?
It’s encouraging to see support for anti-censorship across the political spectrum
they finally passed it.
they will keep trying on other countries until they succeed too.
Wait I don’t understand. Did they cancel https? How about ftp? Ssh?
Or are they requiring some half baked bullshit in a browser to catch the lowest common denominator?
“What we are witnessing right now is the death of the free internet and the birth of a new digital dictatorship. No longer can we be trusted to decide for ourselves what content is appropriate or correct. Everything must instead be filtered through the state’s definition of ‘safety,’ telling us what is safe to say, see, or believe. Under the guise of protecting children and fighting ‘hate,’ governments are creating the most comprehensive censorship apparatus the West has ever seen.”
Bender-Meme:
*Selfhosters: I build my own Internet With Blackjack and Hookers
Everytime I hear about some draconian internet law it’s always coming out of the UK.
Is it possible to start a new one?
The problem is not the internet itself. If you started a new internet protocol, you’d still be controlled by the same laws
Mass migrate to IRC?
IRC doesn’t handle being disconnected. That’s why matrix has essentially replaced it
Personally I believe the world was a better place before the Internet existed. It was more personal, more local. The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain. Good mental health is almost non-existent for those who are always online - and that is a purposeful construct so that they will be online more and create even more revenue for the tech billionaires. The initial romantic notion that the internet would provide education and information and connection has been dwarfed by the damage it has caused. The most ‘internet raised generation - Gen Z’ is notoriously disconnected and isolated compared to previous generations. In short, if the Internet ceased to exist tomorrow, a decade from now the world would probably be a better place.
The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain.
I hate to tell you but there were billionaires and multi-millionaires way before the internet and they were damaging the world horrendously for greed and personal gain. They even have this system structured around allowing them to do that called capitalism.
So no the internet didn’t create that. Capitalism created that. Just as it created the climate change denial oil industry and the people who made money off of destroying the planet with that and would still be doing so without the internet. Just as it made dishonest press barons who loved Nazi Germany such as Randolph Hearst way before the internet existed and for a more modern example Rupert Murdoch. Just as before that it created incentives to hide and denial tobacco caused cancer or that asbestos caused cancer and other diseases or that lead poisoned us especially children. And on and on. Or the Triangle Shirt-waist fire and thousands of incidents just like that around the world where people are killed in poorly maintained factories kept that way out of greed. Or companies that pump poison into the water and air because it’s cheaper. I could go on forever.
Yeah I’d say capitalism ruined the Internet, rather than the other way around. Early Internet was janky but amazing
