• 4 months

    Just a reminder that you dont need to touch Edge to download a browser on w11.

    With cmd:

    Librewolf: winget install -e --id LibreWolf.LibreWolf

    or

    Firefox: winget install -e --id Mozilla.Firefox

    • 4 months

      It’s been years since I’ve used Windows at home, but I still have a Firefox installer exe hanging around on my server on the offchance I ever need to use it again. Thanks for showing me it’s no longer necessary.

      • winget ships with Windows by default, so it is a particularly good option for folks who don’t want to modify their Windows computer much, or have limited permissions.

        I understand that Winget is based on chocolatey to some degree.

        • 4 months

          I guess it’s cool that Windows finally has an official package manager.

          • Yes. It is very little, very late.

            But it was a huge quality of life relief to me, when I still had a Windows install to deal with.

      • 4 months

        Winget is still playing catch-up in my experience. Microsoft’s own office365 winget package is broken constantly.

  • 4 months

    I had chances to peek into some of my friends’ laptop and was surprised how many of them are using Edge. MS’s strategy looks pretty stupid, but it’s actually working.

    • I see no reason to use chrome over edge. I’m a Firefox guy these days, but if I have to use a chromium browser, I’m using edge.

    • shrug any major benefits of google branded chromium over microsoft branded chromium are a moot point to me since google curb stomped fully functional adblocking extensions.

    • People have always defaulted to the… default.

      Whether that is safari on a mac or internet explorer, and now edge, on windows. And if you are already going to deal with chromium’s bullshit… edge is perfectly fine.

      • 4 months

        So how do you explain the chrome dominance? Did I miss something and the dominant os is chrome os this last decade ?

          • 4 months

            I’m not being aggressive, but your statement just makes no sense?

            Either people pick the default and it’s mostly edge/safari, which as per your own statcounter source is clearly not the case. Or people are not as dumb as you make them out to be and pick the one that suits them.

            The prompt was “I had chances to peek into some of my friends’ laptop and was surprised how many of them are using Edge”. Not “I did a survey of the entire world and Edge dominated”

            How is this even relevant? If you make a statement about people in general, it doesn’t matter which people specifically are mentioned.

            But thanks for the humoring!

    • 4 months

      I prefer Edge over Chrome, and if I had to choose one, Edge is definitely better. But gladly I don’t have to choose one and never will. Been with Vivaldi for years after switching off FF.

      • Could you tell me what you like about Vivaldi over Firefox? Or what advantages it has? Genuinely curious.

        • I’m not the person you were replying to, but I enjoy Vivaldi’s tab grouping and window splitting features, specifically. The fact that they haven’t been actively trying to shove AI down my throat is also a plus.

        • 4 months

          There’s just a lot of thought put in for the user. Excellent UI and productivity features, so much customisability. It’s super fast and light. Then there’s built in blockers, VPN, all the usual. To top it all off, it’s made by a small group of Norwegians that hate corporate control and love an open and free internet. They even have their own fediverse instances.

          After I had spent an hour going down the rabbit hole of tweaking every UI element so the browser was now my browser, I was hooked. I still have to use Firefox at work, but I now find it intrusive, sluggish, and crude. I also hate having to restart it for updates lol.

      • It’s working because Edge isn’t IE and it’s actually a decent browser. It’s just Microsoft chromium instead of Google chromium.

        • Yeah, but chrome/chromium is relegated to trash-tier now, due to the introduction of manifest v3 and the blacklisting of uBlock Origin.

      • 4 months

        As far as chromium based browsers go, edge is actually one of the best. I have a portable degoogled chromium I keep locked in a vault myself, but that’s only because I ripped edge out of windows. If I wasn’t the type of person that got irrationally furious about edge running in the background using up system resources doing whatever the fuck windows was having to do, I would just use edge when I needed a chromium browser.

      • 4 months

        And I’m pretty sure our heavy capitalist model is the main reason

  • 4 months

    I country with a working legislative would prevent a market leader from attempting to prevent consumers from exercising their freedom to choose. Oh well.

    • 4 months

      Tech regulation is such a joke that I struggle to take any of it seriously anymore. Google was found monopoly and they didnt issue a punishment because “it was long time ago and now there are AI browsers”. Australia banning teenagers from social media instead of, you know, fixing social media for all people. It’s like punching air yet if you personally break ToS or IP law you are criminally charged.

  • 4 months

    They DESPERATELY want you to use Edge because they DESPERATELY want to watch what websites you visit, for how long, and what you click on. They want to know EVERYTHING about you:

    What you buy, what you masturbate to, what you like and don’t like, how you vote, what you watch, what music you like, the clothes you wear, what you children are like, what movies you watch, who you know… THEY WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU SO THEY CAN USE IT AGAINST YOU: ADS. PROPAGANDA. VOTES. CONTROL.

    WE ARE BEING FARMED

    • 4 months

      They can do a lot of that now with Recall even if you use Chrome.

      They also want you to use their browser because they want to direct you to bing/copilot and get ad revenue from all of your clicks.

    • 4 months

      Always have been… but Google is just as bad, so installing Chrome isn’t going to help you there. Honestly, even FF or anything else on Windows wont even get you out of that fate. They’ve proven they take screen shots, likely log keypresses, etc.

      This isn’t new or even newsworthy anymore. Being okay with these sorts of things is like, literally part of EULA’s and such for decades. And people willingly give up privacy in trade for whatever service or product they’re choosing.

      • Your computer won’t even be a computer, just a display with an Internet connection to a data centre.

        • 4 months

          As much as I would personally hate that, it honestly wouldn’t be a bad choice for my aging parents and my IT load when I visit them.

          Linux is likely in their future, but thin clients for them would greatly reduce and centralize their compute considering what they actually need.

          • Have you used any of the Microsoft cloud products?
            It’s completely ridiculous how bad they are, especially for admins.

    • 4 months

      Microsoft could even push its AI summaries as a RAM-friendly version of visiting website pages.

    • Now. That’s pretty much the situation now. If you don’t believe me, try and completely remove Edge and Copilot from an updated Windows 11.

    • 4 months

      They wanted to do that with internet explorer but regulators weren’t monopoly-friendly back then.

  • 4 months

    Didn’t they get sued multiple times for pulling shit like this before?

  • sure, when Microsoft manages to modify their competitors website it’s “marketing”, but when I do it it’s a crime and I go to prison.

  • Apart from being chromium, Edge was pretty good until it released, then it had all the Microsoft bullshit added.

    • 4 months

      Microsoft was probably the only firm with the resources to keep a Chromium fork current while uneinding Google’s enshittifications. But their incentives are too similar for that.

  • As much as I dislike Microsoft, I see no reason for Windows users to download Chrome when Edge is right there.

    • 4 months

      There’s plenty:

      • Not supporting monopolistic practices.
      • User preferences.
      • Diversifying your software so you don’t get trapped in an ecosystem.
      • Not having Copilot stuffed down your throat.
      • User preferences.
      • Making it possible to rip Edge out of Windows for the purpose of debloating.
      • 4 months

        why did this even get upvoted. the only valid point is not having copilot and maybe removing edge if thats even possible.

      • Sure we should always have choice but if you’re hopping out of Microsoft’s monopoly into Google’s is there even any point?

        • 4 months

          If you have to pick between two monopolistic corporations, using both of them but giving each a little less of your data and attention is a way to mitigate the risks and damage.

          If Microsoft can harvest data on how I use my computer, I can at least make it a bit harder for them to harvest my browsing habits too by not voluntarily giving them browser telemetry on top of that.

        • Not supporting monopolistic practices.

        The rest of the points are fair but you seriously saying that getting Chrome of all things is not supporting monopolistic practices?

        • 4 months

          Oh, no. I’m saying Microsoft owning your operating system and using it to push their data-harvesting software as a default browser is a monopolistic practice, whereas using Chrome by itself is just reinforcing an existing monopoly. The same goes for Mac and Safari or Android and Chrome.

          Neither option is good, but it’s a step in the right direction to punish a corporation for their active attempts to subvert competition in a bid to establish their own monopoly in place of the current one.

    • 4 months

      Yeah fr. Edge is a better browser than Chrome. I know that’s a bar you can walk over, but…