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    Why?

    Why is every company right now making it impossible to understand what their app does?

    I swear to fucking god, I’ve been looking for SAAS products at work to fill a role, they’re all branded as AI and not what the companies actually fucking do.

    Office has like a 40 year plus reputation as THE office suite. What the fuck us copilot? That cheap knockoff OpenAI they debuted before it was really?

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      Because AI on its own doesn’t actually make a return, but by conflating the AI investment with a genuine productivity tool that’s making money, you can start to hide your poor choices.

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        Wow, you are right. This is a way for them to pump the bubble and their stock price up even more.

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          Pre AI: Hey, we have 5 billion subscribers to our office suite!

          Start of AI: Hey, we have 5 billion subscribers to our office suite and 3 subscribers to our AI offering (currently in their free testing period, plans already precancelled)

          Now: Hey, we have 5 billion subscribers to our AI services (that also features an office suite)

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              seems like altman /ms/amazon and google are kinda scammed by nvidia, arnt they less likely to get away less scathed, also oracle.

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                Except Nvidia’s product works. It’s the shit software they decided they needed Nvidia’s product to run that kinda does something but not in a real world usable state, that’s the issue

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                  They’re being scammed in the sense that NVIDIA is selling a product for a usecase that can’t make them money despite NVIDIA advertising (or at least heavily implying) as such.

                  “Look at all these shovels, you’re gonna make so much money if you dig with our shovels, I’m sure you’re gonna find the treasure any minute!” knowing full well that there’s no treasure, or at least definitely not enough for everyone.

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        they are trying hard to peddle it to govt usage since they are likely a guaranteed revenue stream, things like palintir is being peddle hard by thiel to multiple countries.(including israel and defense contracting)

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      It’s because when so much money/power has pushed so long for people to make decisions based on money and not logic, we’ve now arrived at the point where even “the emperor’s new clothes” type moments can’t rein in the insanity; executives are bonused off this garbage and most employees who do know better–thanks to orgs’ own internal propaganda and structures–have given up caring and just publish the garbage and clock out(as they should).

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      I assume it’s for the CEO benefit. “Look boss, we’re pushing AI like you wanted”

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      I think I know why. Microsoft Office was a product. Their new strategy is Services. They want you to lease their services and have vendor lock-in forever. It takes a long time for businesses to migrate.

      This has MBA written all over it. The idea that AI can just do whatever the client needs means that you can say your service does it all!

      It is a scam.

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        I think I know why. Microsoft Office was a product. Their new strategy is Services. They want you to lease their services and have vendor lock-in forever. It takes a long time for businesses to migrate.

        They already did/do that and it’s called Office 365 and already have vendor lock-in with Windows, SSO services, Azure, etc

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        It’s going to fall apart and the industries using the tools are going to adopt a Unix philosophy of dedicated tools that do a specific job well. May take a Butlerian Jihad, but it will happen.

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          It’s already happening, in part because of this and in part because of the unstable, unpredictable US government.

          Several European countries are looking towards investing in open source as a way to get away from American big tech because they’re suddenly considering US sanctions against them a real possibility, or at least a real threat.

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            Ayup. Why build your company on a service with a US company when they can - and have - fuck you on a whim?

            With standalone installs you can keep trucking. Service as subscription? That’s going to very quickly start dying off as the world destabilises.

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        I’ve seen people mention it elsewhere in this thread. But what is MBA? I get nothing relevant when I search for it.

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      Copilot is love, copilot is life. It’s okay friend - these are copilot times, but I still copilot you.

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      FWIW, Office (or more accurately, everything that was part of Office) was renamed Microsoft 365 years ago, in 2020. That was long before the AI insanity.

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        Shouldn’t it be called Microsoft 250? There are 250 working days in a year. As soon as I’m home I’m using Thunderbird or Libreoffice, certainly not the product formerly known as Microsoft Office.

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      They stopped promoting “Office” brand when they saw success with Microsoft 365 and dropped Office 365. This was quite some time ago. Now they have just renamed an “app” called “Office” which was like a homescreen for Microsoft 365. I doubt anyone really used it and no one on lemmy seems to even recognize it.

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        I didn’t know Microsoft 365 and Office 365 were different things. From the outside, it’s as opaque as Apple’s version names.

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          Microsoft 365 bundles other products too like Windows and online Exchange. Guess it was confusing to have both office only and office plus others, and hence they dropped the office only.

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      It’s not about the user.

      (it’s about sounding innovative and cool with whichever trend to the brainless money people aka shareholders)

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    Damn, our customers don’t use copilot, but we promised to reach 50% usage in 2026…

    That’s it… Rename the whole thing to copilot and we achieve our goal!

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    They are trying so fucking hard, it’s so sad. Especially when everyone saw that report of them slashing AI related metrics because nobody is fucking using it.

    I can’t wait to build my new PC and install Linux. Cannot wait.

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    Excel --> Copilot Calculate (356) App

    Word --> Copilot 365 Live Notepad

    Outlook --> Team 365 Share Copilot App

    PowerPoint --> Visual Copilot App Live

    Visio --> untouched

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    Ok so there are 3 microsoft products called copilot now. Surely this won’t confuse anyone

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      Are you including Github Copilot in that count? Technically that’s a Microsoft product. It’s probably the only Copilot that’s actually useful.

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        A controversial take. Every new feature added to Github has made it more unpleasant to use, and a lot of that is down to Copilot, for me. Only way to get rid of it is to wait for Github to go down again, which is the only thing it does reliably at the moment.

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          I get the Pro version for free since I’ve worked on a few popular open-source projects. I’m using it in VS Code and it’s helped me write code for systems I’m unfamiliar with. I’ve used it to summarize the architecture of open-source projects so I understand how to contribute new features. The autocompletion can be pretty good too. I also use it to review my code.

          We use Claude Code with the Opus 4.5 model at work, and it’s quite a bit better, but I don’t want to pay that much for an AI model for personal projects since I use it so infrequently.

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          Every new feature added to Github has made it more unpleasant to use

          Free private repositories, Github Actions, and Github Packages are all pretty useful though. All of those were added under Microsoft’s ownership. Actions got a head start because it was built on top of Azure DevOps infra that Microsoft had already created.

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            Free private repos were always available on Bitbucket (for example) before that though. The things added by Microsoft were all catch-up.

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              They lose money from it (people that used to pay for an account to get private repos no longer need to) which is why Github didn’t do it when they were independent.

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              Plenty of open-source projects that I use are happy with them though. I see far fewer projects using Travis CI and AppVeyor these days for example.

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          github also has the slowest, most unresponsive web interface ive ever used. it’s genuinely impressive how they made a web app so slow

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          controversial take.

          Nope, I agree, and so far you get only upvotes so… we agree.

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      How the hell else are PMs going to get positive reviews this quarter? Waiting for Excel, Word, Powerpoint and Windows to all be called Copilot

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    Why couldn’t they just stick with Office… It’s 100% explanatory, short, and to the point.

    365 never made sense to me. Is it supposed to represent the year? Like available 24/7 but instead it’s there for you 365 days of the year? And if that’s the case why the fuck would I care? It’s software, of course it’s available to me whenever I want. It’s not a 7/11 hotdog rotisserie.