- nosuchanon@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
- Antaeus@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
2 hoursIf we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don’t, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.
We’ve seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
If I were a network packet, I would get very confused by so much routing.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
On Linux you can just turn the kernel into a router with a few commands. Its actually very cool.
- otacon239@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
For anyone looking into this, I recommend picking up a “network appliance” PC. They’re low-spec, often fanless, and come with 4 Ethernet ports. You can often get them for roughly the same price as a router. You will need to provide your own WiFi AP with this method.
- 5 hours
The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
- excral@feddit.orgEnglish2 hours
New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.
All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.
- sunbeam60@feddit.ukEnglish4 hours
Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.
- andallthat@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
well, Trump has a worryingly faint and ever-changing idea of where the USA borders end…
- Jhex@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell
There’s a line about “… unless they have a waiver.”
That’s the razor, it’s gatekeeping for who can get your special permit.
- 5 hours
designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk
So this is horseshit, right?
First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.
Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers’ security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?
Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS’s. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse (“protect the kiddies”, “law enforcement”, “national security”, “terrorism”), force them to not tell the public, and then “secretly” monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.
Fuck these fascists.
I find it unlikely to be about security. Either it is about control or about money (pressure to induce bribery for lifting), or a combination of both.
- ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 hours
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies. However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies.
I think there’s a little bit of space between “spy agencies employ systems professionals that know the guts of a component’s security and tricks to bypass it” and “every device firmware has a double super secret protocol for sidestepping all of its security features”.
However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
Sure. I’m willing to believe that Cisco, specifically, has relationships with the Five Eyes network such that they make monitoring their traffic easier. Even then, there’s limits. One thing to say techniques exist to bypass security. Another entirely to know what those techniques are and whether they’re practical for application at universal scale.
One of the more chronic problems that big spy agencies have is sifting through all the spam and bullshit and empty chatter. Decryption takes time. And you can’t monitor everything, everywhere, all at once. The bigger sins of Cisco are in how they expedite access on behalf of their agency partners, not that they fail to produce perfectly hack-proof hardware.
- LoafedBurrito@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
Figures, make it difficult and expensive for consumers to get routers. Make it so people must pay 5 times as much for a lower quality “US made” router in 4-5 years once the factories are built; or people just stop using the internet at home like the administration wants.
The US does not make many electronics, and when we do, they are ALWAYS made with imported components. So this is once again a threat to companies to move production to the US, but with ZERO incentive for the companies to do so.
No wonder our economy is tanking so hard under these nazi’s. They are so incompetent, it hurts.
- 4 hours
You would need an expansion module or two… or how many wires you need… I am sitting on on a 16 slot switch… and thinking I might need more…
- hodgepodgin@lemmy.zipEnglish5 hours
everything with this admin is just to boost artificial scarcity… even with IP routers
- ClownStatue@piefed.socialEnglish10 hours
So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?
- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish5 hours
well pricing them out of reach of the population wasn’t working, so soon
- IratePirate@feddit.orgEnglish9 hours
So at what point do they ban all new computers
not made domestically?FTFY. It’s the same thing.
- RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zipEnglish13 hours
The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don’t have an approved router installed.
- Phoenix3875@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
- tidderuuf@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
- ferret@sh.itjust.worksEnglish13 hours
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
- 6 hours
As I read it, they are scared of the Chinese Communist Party having an “official” back door built in. Not run-of-the-mill criminal bot-nets.
