Valve has said it’s “hard at work” on Steam Deck 2, while continuing to work on getting the Steam Machine, Steam Controller, and Steam Frame out the door.
  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world
    13 hours

    Valve Says It’s ‘Hard at Work’ on Steam Deck 2, but There’s Still No Release Window RAM

    Need RAM before release window

    • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 hours

      Linux has worked extremely well on ARM for at least 17 years. What improvements are you hoping an ARM based Steam Deck would make?

        • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12 hours

          So, primarily just forwarding OpenGL/Vulkan commands directly through FEX, rather than QEMU’s user mode?

          Certainly helpful for games, but the majority of code on Linux boxes is recompiled to be native when using ARM

            • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11 hours

              The improvements Valve made for the original Steam Deck and prep for the Steam Machine across the Linux ecosystem for schedulers, graphics drivers, io_uring, ntsync, KDE, Wine, etc. were massive, even outside of gaming.

              I don’t see them expanding to ARM making as much of a difference to the ecosystem as their first forray.

              That’s why I’m curious what improvements OP was thinking of; maybe there’s more than FEX that I’m not aware of

              Generally x86 -> ARM is much easier on Linux than MacOS/Windows

    • Gamma@beehaw.orgEnglish
      15 hours

      I hope so! They put a lot of work to let the Frame act as a headset version of a deck, the compatibility stuff is really cool.

    • ApertureUA@lemmy.today
      15 hours

      what steam deck did for linux

      Ngl, I was a user the whole time, before and after, and can’t tell a difference. Except maybe slightly better HDR support? They mostly donated to KDE tho (!= the kernel).

      • Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml
        14 hours

        Valve contributes to the kernel too. Mainly in the are of file systems, scheduler improvements and drivers. Also gamescope, proton, mesa/vulkan, they do a lot!

        • ApertureUA@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3 hours

          fs, scheduler

          So performance? Idk, I zone out or go get a glass of water whenever something’s compiling or some bloatware is trying to launch. Probably like 0.x second improvements (in addition to the random “faster paths” the maintainers add from time to time regardless).

          drivers, mesa/vulkan

          I have an AMD APU, kind of sharing a lot of code with the Deck hardware. GPU suspend was broken twice (when the machine was new + 2 weeks ago). Oh, and whenever my uptime exceeds like 10 days or so, it sometimes decides to wake up to a black screen with my cursor (and the entire plymouth shutdown screen) being colored stripes. Now, the popularity of the Steam Deck made navigating issue trackers near impossible. Constant dump of random bullshit daily. Lots of shit is being closed as duplicate of other bugs which are slightly different but “close enough”.

          gamescope

          If we are talking about impact, may as well mention that they could have forked cage or something for the compositor.

          proton

          Cool. The ReactOS/Wine people do most of the work on matters other than obscure graphics and application specific quirks though. One must really hate themselves to understand Win32 internals in the first place, so you have to give them credit. Also, Valve’s fork is often pretty outdated to upstream which is why lots of people are using the third party fork of the fork that rebases with the original (Proton GE).

      • figjam@midwest.socialEnglish
        12 hours

        Without my experience with the deck, I would have continued to believe that linux wasn’t for games.

        There is a straight line from me trying a deck out to me getting my family off of windows.

      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zip
        13 hours

        Everything others said, but also Valve was interested in Proton for steam deck. They pay 100+ people to work on Proton. Even if you don’t use a steam deck, but do play games, you’re benefitting.

      • yuri@pawb.social
        13 hours

        idk if proton would exist if valve didn’t make the deck

      • K3CAN@lemmy.radio
        15 hours

        I think they just meant as far as user popularity. More people are hearing about Linux thanks to the SD and other SteamOS handhelds. Maybe the SD 2 help show that ARM can play games beyond just emulators?

  • hopesdead@startrek.website
    15 hours

    What is with the need to push out a second generation device so soon. It feels just like yesterday they released this, the first one.

    • Midnitte@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1 hour

      It could definitely benefit from a refresh - more powerful internals, native support for the new Steam Controller (like the Steam Machine will have), better thumbsticks, etc. The average length between console generations is only 5 years, so it wouldn’t be abnormal to expect one soon.

      That said, I dont think we need a new one yet - let them cook

    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
      14 hours

      I mean… The original LCD model released half a decade ago. The OLED was after, but barely provided any improvement beyond the screen.

    • Airfried@piefed.socialEnglish
      14 hours

      It’s a no-brainer, really. All Steam Decks have been out of stock for literal months here in Europe. It’s clear they can’t deliver much more at the moment given the current hardware prices. Might as well develop something beefier before putting even more overpriced RAM and storage space into the old Steam Deck for much longer. It will be years until the Steam Deck 2 will release anyway.

  • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de
    14 hours

    waiting for the AI bubble to pop, to get some RAM at sweet sweet low prices. Smart.

      • Butterphinger@lemmy.zip
        13 hours

        Steam Deck mini, same performance, pocketable, dockable.

        I’d die happy, because this also means there’s a dockable linux laptop in my pocket, games-aside, that’s a well-added tool.

        • Gamma@beehaw.orgEnglish
          6 hours

          This would be perfect, I mostly play the switch docked but the option to play on the go is nice. Add a keyboard and you’ve got a portable dev machine… take my money!

      • viral.vegabond@piefed.socialEnglish
        15 hours

        Yes, why do people always want bigger. In my opinion 7" is plenty and my device has a 6" screen that is perfect. I can actually hold the device for extended sessions without getting fatigued.

        • nous@programming.devEnglish
          14 hours

          I would want a smaller device and larger screen. Aka reduce the bezels. The deck has comically large bezels.

          Also, the size of the device does not have much to do with its weight. I would rather a larger comfitable device then a tiny one that gives me cramps to use. Lighter weight is always a plus. But not always worth the tradeoffs. I would not want a lightweight device that only lasts 30mins of usage.

        • IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com
          15 hours

          It would also help spread Linux into the tablet market as well. If people were using their decks as a tablet as well that could lead to helping the future of an authentic usable Linux phone.

          I don’t know the sizing, but I wonder if a keyboard could be added… Like how the switch has that piece that connects the two detached controllers into one controller… that middle piece could possibly be a keyboard.

  • Prove_your_argument@piefed.socialEnglish
    15 hours

    ~2029 once the recession has hit, housing market has exploded and we get 15-20% unemployment from all the AI devs getting shitcanned and all the workers “replaced by AI” still can’t find jobs because their employer downsized to build a warchest in record low tax time.

    That’s my guess anyway.