- the_riviera_kid@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
I find it pretty funny that some jerkoff who works for facebook is complaining about privacy violations. The companies entire business model relies on disrespecting privacy.
- XLE@piefed.socialEnglish11 hours
So do fast food chains and supermarkets. Please don’t be rude to the next person that serves you food.
- 1 hour
No, fast food and supermarkets primary business model is to sell you food. The privacy violations are just a bonus. Facebooks primary business model is to violate your privacy. The fact that you can talk to your friends is just a bonus.
- Zahille7@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
So I shouldn’t be rude to the person who’s using AI regardless of the fact they know what the impacts of using it are?
- XLE@piefed.socialEnglish8 hours
Wow. Fuck me for saying not to be nasty towards anyone who works for a restaurant. True class solidarity in these parts.
soratoyuki@piefed.socialEnglish
11 hoursI do my best to have solidarity with the entire working class, but 👉👈
soratoyuki@piefed.socialEnglish
11 hours“I’m mixed on Al. On one hand, I really enjoy using it to write software. On the other hand, I’m really nervous about its impact on the world,” the engineer wrote in an internal forum for coders.
Yeah, that’s the catch isn’t it? On one hand, we’re ceding skills to oligarch-owned chat bots that are working day and night to create to neofeudal police state where their air conditioned bunkers can survive the climate apocalypse, but on the other hand, it makes your job slightly easier (until you’re inevitably laid off).
It’s a really tough spot to be in.
Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
5 hoursI think figuring out how to find solidarity across the working class is a guidepost to revolution.
It’s more than okay to admit that it’s challenging. Anything else is just untrue.
I do think the effort is worth it. I think uniting for a better world is the prize we win when we figure out how to construct a society that accommodates as much diversity of thought and lifestyle as our civilization contains.
- Zahille7@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
And I say “fuck em” until they actually change their stance and views. People might say “oh you need to be tolerant and patient and teach them the error of their ways,” but these are the people that know damn well the impact AI is having on literally everything but they’re still just going “whee! It makes my job easier for 5 minutes!”
So, fuck em.
- Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.worksEnglish8 hours
Yea, let’s get ride of computers all together. In fact, let’s destroy the loom too!
- XLE@piefed.socialEnglish7 hours
Zahille7, I find it disturbing how you and several others relish the thought of siding with the Facebook CEO and against his workers, looking for literally any sin to attack them.
Of course he’s wrong about AI. So are a bunch of cashiers. You expressed the desire to go after them too.
- Zahille7@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
I’m not “going after” anyone. Nor am I siding with any billionaire or CEO.
I’m specifically saying that these coders and other tech people who are deep in the know, continue to use AI regardless of the environmental and social impact; they’ve made their bed, and now they need to lie in it. I have no sympathy for them for saying “hey, I don’t like being surveilled at work, but it’s totally fine for others to do it.”
- 13 hours
I don’t want to live in a world where humans—employees or otherwise—are exploited for their training data.
Does anybody read the job description anymore?
- Trilogy3452@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
Also meta is all about exploiting people, not sure what did they expect joining it
- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish8 hours
Nobody takes responsibility for the consequences of their work. It’s always, “well people need a job”
Fuck that
DeuxChevaux@lemmy.worldEnglish
12 hoursYeah yeah, but surveillance is meant for everyone else, surely not for them. The safest place to be is inside the lion’s den innit.
Until it isn’t.
- esc@piefed.socialEnglish13 hours
So they feel that surveillance isn’t so great when it directly affects them? Poor ghouls, I’m going to cry for their plight in the next never.
- 13 hours
Meta’s decision to track employee keystrokes and mouse data is causing an uproar within the company. “Selfishly, I don’t want my screen scraped because it feels like an invasion of my privacy,” wrote an engineer in an internal post seen by nearly 20,000 coworkers this week. “But zooming out, I don’t want to live in a world where humans—employees or otherwise—are exploited for their training data.”
The message aimed to rally support for a petition circulating inside the company since last Thursday that demands an end to what Meta calls the Model Capability Initiative. It’s a piece of mandatory software that Meta began installing on the laptops of US employees last month. The tool records employees’ screens when using certain apps with the goal of collecting “real examples of how people actually use” computers, including “mouse movements, clicking buttons, and navigating dropdown menus,” according to Reuters. Meta has yet to say whether the initial data is paying off.
“I’m mixed on Al. On one hand, I really enjoy using it to write software. On the other hand, I’m really nervous about its impact on the world,” the engineer wrote in an internal forum for coders. “And what kind of norms are we establishing about how the technology is used, and how people are going to be treated?”
The petition, also seen by WIRED, states that “it should not be the norm that companies of any size are permitted to exploit their employees by nonconsensually extracting their data for the purposes of Al training.”
In the US, employers generally have wide latitude to monitor workers’ devices for security, training, evaluation, and safety purposes. But using these tools to build datasets that instruct AI systems on navigating computers without human supervision appears to be a new tactic—and one that doesn’t sit right with many Meta workers. Over the past few years, several companies have jumped into the race to develop agentic AI models. But when gathering data, they have typically tapped volunteers, sometimes paid, who are willing to have their computer activity recorded.
Meta’s decision to move forward with its tracking tool despite weeks of protest from employees has become one of the leading reasons for what 16 current and former employees recently described to WIRED as record-low morale. It’s also the leading driver of an employee unionization effort at Meta’s UK offices.
“The workplace surveillance and training AI models is the number one thing,” says Eleanor Payne, a representative of United Tech and Allied Workers, which is helping organize Meta employees. She declined to specify the number of employees seeking to form a labor union but called it “significant” and unprecedented.
While only US employees are currently subjected to tracking, UK employees are concerned for their colleagues and the potential for expansion of the program. “I think of it pretty much as a breakdown of trust,” Payne says. New laws that eased unionization in the UK have encouraged employees about the chances of success, she adds.
In Meta offices in California and New York, workers have been posting flyers in cafeterias and other communal areas pointing colleagues to the petition. Two employees, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, say the company has removed some posters, with those on bathroom walls seemingly staying up longer.
Meta declined to comment on the allegation.
Petition organizers have called on Meta to respect their legal right “to discuss, organize, and advocate for better working conditions.” So far, organizers have declined to comment on the number of signatories and whether they may pursue other legal or regulatory actions to push back on the tracking program.
The engineer’s internal post this week chronicled what they believe to be a degradation in Meta’s culture over the past 11 years, with much of the shift happening in the past five. “Layoffs, budget cuts, years of efficiency and intensity—all of it contributed to a growing sense of dread,” the employee wrote. They described growing apathetic about their work and workplace, until the rollout of the tracking software stunned them.
“MCI is a microcosm for the Al movement,” the engineer added. “Yes, it’s just a small turn of the temperature knob, but it’s representative of the types of systems that people will be compelled to build.”
They addressed skepticism and fear about the petition drive by underscoring the value of collective action: “Your voice matters. Moments like this are why I was drawn to Facebook in the first place.”
Some workers reluctant to sign the petition are quietly staging their own form of protest by delaying installation of the screen recording tool, sources say. It means dealing with a nagging notification. How long Meta will accept the maneuver is unclear to employees. But after layoffs hit next week, the company will have 10 percent fewer people to try and wrangle.
- 13 hours
Not a privacy invasion if it’s a laptop given by the company. Do not do personal tasks on a computer you don’t own, keep your personal devices and work devices seperate.
- 11 hours
Why is this man getting downvoted?? I’m not saying what META is doing is right…but to act surprised as an employee of META??? Like if I worked there I’d ASSUME they already were doing that without telling me, why the hell would you do private stuff on a device you do not own?? Whats next? We getting shocked when you get robbed in a area with a high crime rate?
Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
5 hoursThe difference is between doing it secretly or in the open.
I assume I’m monitored on my work computer, but me and my company both know they aren’t supposed to.
When they admit it and make you look them in the eye and consent to it, that’s when the social contract unravels in a big way.
There’s a line from a great comedy in which an oligarch is berating his son for playing elaborate games to ruin the life of a schlub who once disrespected him, right after we see the oligarch at a party where people are shitting on glass coffee tables with prostitutes under them. The son says, “How is it any different from what you do?!?” And the dad says, in a posh Oxford accent, “The glass, son. The glass.”
- 10 hours
I would expect privacy on a library computer, or an internet cafe, but a computer given by a company is dedicated to work and work only, unless specified explicitly otherwise (as in given fully as a gift). Letting people run unknown software on a company computer could lead to malware attacks and data breaches, so companies that give its employees computers will manage how they’re handled with an IT team.
- Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.worksEnglish8 hours
Access to keystrokes and webcam are a large jump. If you’re worried about malware there’s a thing called an admin account that these employees don’t get access too. Tracking is not equal to protection.
- a4ng3l@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
Beside the « personal tasks » or generally any personal data that might be processed locally by performing those - which are likely allowed to a certain extent by internal policies in large companies - the behaviour determination by keystroke / microphone / camera analysis is a privacy concern whatever data is involved.
It’s a level of surveillance that goes way to far. This is indeed a step too far.
- Archr@lemmy.worldEnglish11 hours
This exactly. My company has a disclaimer everytime you log into a system to tell you as much. “there is not expectation of privacy”.
We don’t have the same level of keylogging and webcams access that they are talking about here. But I think most people would be surprised at the amount that we can see.







