• A Sharky Anthro@fedia.io
    1 hour

    Oof, clutch win against the US Company, as a US Citizen…You don’t want our irresponsible and stupid corporations buying your stuff and running it. It would be a privacy nightmare! It would be expected that The Netherlands would protect their citizens from the forces of nasty US companies.

  • DisasterTransport@startrek.websiteEnglish
    17 hours

    Helaas kunt u niet inloggen

    I don’t know Dutch but I choose to believe this says “hey cunt youre not logged in”

  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    18 hours

    Meanwile, in Finland, we outsourced our fucking vote counting system, to god-damn AWS.

  • Mantzy81@aussie.zoneEnglish
    1 day

    Good

    Fuck the US and their bullshit capitalism. Do not trust them. They are the enemy, which feels wild to say but we’ve long memories, and education, and we’ve seen this before.

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      6 hours

      I find it so stupid that countries would outsource important stuff to any other country. You never know what the future holds.

    • sureshot0@discuss.onlineEnglish
      16 hours

      This is so great to hear. It would be great if I could stop seeing the EU capitulate to Orange on the news. From the perspective of American citizens it is very annoying, and you will ingratiate yourselves to us by pushing back against him.

      • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7 hours

        It’s probably a tricky balancing act for EU leaders. On the one hand they want to quietly step away from the US, on the other they are well aware that one of his tantrums could start WWIII.

        They’re in that situation when you wind up talking to the violent lunatic at a party and you are quietly trying to remove yourself without flipping their switch.

        • sureshot0@discuss.onlineEnglish
          3 hours

          We are probably already there but they just won’t say… all quiet on the western front…

      • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
        15 hours

        I thought you were talking about Orange the Telco, and I thought, “shit, what did orange do this time” lol!

    • kadotux@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1 day

      Has anyone coined a term like “digital imperialism”? I think it’s quite fitting.

      • trolololol@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17 hours

        Iannis Varoufakis (there’s probably 2+ typos there) has coined something like digital feudalism.

        I think it makes more sense when imperialism is between countries like in this case, but if you get rid of imperialism you still have feudalism between the tech companies and the users of their monopolistic products, on their terms.

  • BozeKnoflook@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    Since the article is in Dutch, let me try to provide a little extra context:

    1. It’s not actually the company that runs DigiD, that’s Logius, who is part of the ministry of the interior.
    2. It’s about the cloud-hosting company that DigiD runs on. The DigiD code was open sourced, though it looks like the GitHub repository is now archived (https://github.com/MinBZK/woo-besluit-broncode-digid-app)
    3. It really is used for everything related to authentication with government services. Doing your taxes, scheduling an appointment with the city government for <insert anything>, scheduling a doctors appointment, getting a prescription refilled, on and on.
    • MoonRaven@feddit.nlEnglish
      7 hours

      Correct. It’s the cloud provider, not the app that was going to be sold.

      The Dutch government claims it does not have the expertise to host it themself.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21 hours

      One wonders why the application “used for everything related to authentication with government services” runs on a Private Sector cloud.

      I mean, it’s not as if a Digital Cloud is any more than a bunch of servers running somewhere with a direct connection to the Internet.

      Then again, this is The Netherlands, which is has been ruled by a very Neoliberal right-wing party (in various coalitions) for over a decade so it makes sense that the government there would have even essential software for interacting with Public Services be operated by the Private Sector.

      • BozeKnoflook@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 hours

        One wonders why the application “used for everything related to authentication with government services” runs on a Private Sector cloud.

        I read (no citation here, I forget where I saw this now) a while back somebody involved saying that their procurement policies require they accept the lowest bid tended, as long as its legally submitted and not obviously a scam.

        So yes, typical neo-liberal right-wing mentality is very much at fault I suspect.

    • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.mlEnglish
      17 hours

      Scheduling a doctor’s appointment and getting a prescription refilled? I’ve never used my DigiD for that, nor do I think it’s even an option here; it’s pretty much all telephone. And as for the source code, only part of the source code was published (as a result of ‘Wet Open Overheid verzoek’: a request for transparency); and I believe they’re migrating from Github to code.overheid.nl.

      • Boye@lemy.nlEnglish
        3 hours

        Actually it is used. My doctor does it but still has the option with a regular account.

    • Aganim@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      The company actually inquired, our government said no. That’s what you get when capitalists are at the wheel and expect “the market” will magically solve everything.

      The title is a bit misleading by the way, it’s about the company that hosts the infrastructure, Solvinity. The application itself is built and maintained by a government agency called Logius.

      • BozeKnoflook@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t DigiD created by Logius, which is part of the “Interior Ministry” to roughly translate into English?

        • Aganim@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21 hours

          I didn’t had the time to go into that much detail, but that is correct. 🙂

  • axh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    It’s always funny (and sad) when someone from the USA points out that almost all internet services are US owned, not European, it sounds like they did all the work developing the modern internet, and while Americans really did a lot, they also bought a lot of services created in other countries.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21 hours

      The Web was born in that well known American institution, CERN, invented by that well known American citizen, Tim Berners-Lee.

      • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fiEnglish
        10 hours

        Internet itself (the network) is based on arpanet which was developed by ARRPA now known as DARPA which part of the US Department of Defense.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          9 hours

          Doing some of the work developing the modern Internet isn’t the same as doing all the work developing the modern internet.

          • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fiEnglish
            7 hours

            Don’t know what you are referring to as Internet but I was referring to the low level infrastructure and the technologies at that level. Also Internet != www.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          9 hours

          Yeah, that was kinda the point I was making.

          PS: And CERN is actually an international project, rather than just Swiss, though located in Switzerland.

          • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fiEnglish
            7 hours

            Thought I was sensing sarcasm in your message.

            PS: And CERN is actually an international project, rather than just Swiss, though located in Switzerland.

            Quite true.

  • ragica@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1 day

    Turns out the company in questioned already was bought by a UK company, so already isn’t even Dutch (or even EU anymore). But at least it’s not American (the concern is that American laws potentially give the American government a lot of access to the Dutch citizen data). Companies owned by companies. It gets complicated.