- Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish2 hours
Joke’s on them for investing in education when the current administration would rather no one went to school.
- 5 hours
Joke’s on you, they don’t even have enough school bus drivers for my kid’s school so they pay parents $50 a month to drive them.
- 3 hours
People who pass busses should be curb stomped in the street not spyed on by big brother.
- 52 minutes
Agreed, the same for racing through active school zones. The beating for not slowing down and moving over for a tow truck or stopped emergency vehicle should be only slightly more mild. These are as key to driving as red=stop and green=go.
Dammit. I’m going to feel really bad when I have to start flipping off school busses.
- 6 hours
You can bypass this surveillance by not illegally passing school busses. A lot of the advancement in surveillance is driven by people doing stupid shit…
- 46 minutes
You got down voted to hell, and I see why, but I want to address the second part of your statement because I find it more interesting. I saw a stat a while back that the average American gets in a car accident once every 8 years. My city was ~9/10 years and a city near me was every 12. Pretty good. Then covid hit and everyone now drives like they spent six months straight playing GTA (some of them did). Accidents are up, racing happens every night in every neighborhood, and people are aggressive and careless in their driving at the same time people are turning left from the inside lane across the other turn lane into the lane against the far curb. Did this decent into idiocy also happen where you live?
I do think people gave them a great scapegoat to advance their surveillance capacities.
- 4 hours
The school buses will be equipped with license plate readers that read license plates of every car they drive past. Parked cars too.
Is parking your car “doing stupid shit”?
Did… Did you not read the article?
Or even finish reading the title?
5 hoursMy wife got a ticket from one of these things, along with 4 other people that you can clearly see in the evidence video they send you. A couple other cars knew to stop.
We live on the border with a state whose bus law makes no exception to the road being a divided highway. Apparently not even people who live in that state are aware, either. We learned the hard way.
The bus stopped on the other side of a 55mph road with a physical barrier down the middle. 4 lanes total.
Now we know the stupid law across the border. That bus alone probably generates $1200+ a day on that single stop on the highway.
- Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 hours
Are cars allowed to stop on the highway in the US? Sounds dangerous
So even if they weren’t a walking surveillance apocalypse, they’re an effective poor tax.
To be fair, people should definitely get fines for passing school buses. I’m more mad at the state for being different than the rest of the country and including divided highways in their school bus law.
That’s the point of laws. You start with a concept everyone basically agrees with, then use it as a pretense to exploit whoever you want, and call it protection. Gradually fine-tune the targeting and expand the scope of the oppression, and often forget the original point.
- 2 hours
As noted by Reason, stop-arm cameras have been criticized for not delivering promised safety benefits, but they’ve nonetheless generated tens of millions of dollars in revenue for the companies that deploy them. And according to the report, BusPatrol now wants to turn those cameras into license plate readers. Instead of activating when a specific law is allegedly being violated, they’ll now reportedly be live at all times, capturing data on any vehicle within sight of a school bus that can then be sold to the law-enforcement agencies BusPatrol already counts as customers.
You can bypass this surveillance by not existing near school busses /s
- Fluffy Kitty Cat@slrpnk.netEnglish3 hours
How are you supposed to do.that? They go to residential areas because their mission is to provide school transportation
- 2 hours
Sorry, that was meant to be a joke reply to the original comment. I’ll add a “/s” to it
How does one come to ‘think’ like that? You’ve caught my morbid fascination.
The core idea is good. A law that isn’t enforced is just a recommendation. There will be plenty of people who will just ignore it. Not unique to car drives, there are pretty much the same amount of people ignoring traffic laws with every transportation method, just when the size of the transportation method increases, so does the damage it can cause.
It would be kinda unfeasible for the bus driver to start writing down each cars license plate that passes by it when the bus has stopped. So similarly to speeding cameras which do lower the speed of cars within it’s area of influence. A bus will carry around an area of influence inside which drivers are more inclined to follow the law.
Of course reality is that the system will be abused and badly implemented.
- 3 hours
It would be kinda unfeasible for the bus driver to start writing down each cars license plate that passes by it when the bus has stopped.
Except that’s a rare thing to happen because it’s a serious crime. Plus there’s other people in the bus. When I was in school we were supposed to help take notes to identify any cars that passed when they weren’t supposed to
And that’s very good, but an automated system and video evidence is still better. It eliminates the unreliability of human memory and perception. While any false positives could be easily dealt with case by case basis as the video evidence can be used by both sides.
Though yeah whatever it’s actually necessary or current system is already good enough is up for a debate.
The entire concept of laws is insane delusional anti-materialism.
I’m not going to spend time on the inequities of punishment, the inefficacy of punishment (we’re still punishing people for murder! Tons of them! Every year! Can you name a culture where its generally legal? I fucking can’t!), the necessary selection and injustice of enforcement when trying to impose an often complex abstract ideal on reality through brute violence which is itself usually contradictory, the history of law as excuse, the inherent injustice of violence, or the problem brought up in this thread of variance between jurisdictions of law being used to exploit. Those are all issues that require volumes to fully understand or you’ve already picked a side on and its not worth arguing.
I’m just going to point out that if the goal was preventing bad thing, we would focus on training education infrastructure and constantly refined best practices to help us achieve the desired (lack of) result. That is what works. We know that’s what works, because in the places where there’s no power over others to be gained, or where the result is the most important to the powerful, that’s what we’ve done for over a century, arguably for millennia, across every border and language and nearly every religion. It is in fact the foundation of modern safety, infields as diverse as architecture and medicine, where procedures and design conventions are optimized to reduce room for error without reducing the agency of practitioners. Things like hoses for different parts of general anesthesia being different sizes and the switches being linked in an appropriate gear ratio, doctors signing areas to be operated on before a surgery, or railings being built over long falls anywhere a person the system cares about might ever stand.
If people –especially kids– getting where they’re going –especially school– safely and quickly were the priority, we would be building trains and getting cars off the use, with constant robust well maintained professional busses as a bridge to get us there. We don’t do that. We build more highways and more cars to the exclusion of all that.
The idea that anyone thinks laws are a good tool for avoiding bad outcomes is endlessly frustrating. They’re not in the top ten in use today, and that’s not even what they’re fucking for. That’s like arguing I should use a floppy silicone dildo to put a screw into a hole while we’re standing in the middle of a fully stocked hardware lending library. It was funny the first few times; now I just want to scream.
