The US government is discouraging, but not yet forbidding, buying from certain Chinese manufacturers. But following other hardware manufacturers and making those deals is a risky move for Apple and a potentially riskier move for IT buyers.
  • cockmushroom@reddthat.comEnglish
    2 hours

    Would be funny if China adopted US policy of preventing rival nations from accessing chips

  • DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 hours

    Can’t wait for USA and friends in the “free market” to make these illegal like they did with Chinese EV’s.

    Any day now. Bastards.

  • Jajcus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    13 hours

    That is what I expected. There is a place in the market to sell more RAM and Chinese manufactureres will use it. They will build capacity to build those chips, eventually cheaper and maybe even better what the ‘West’ can do. And then the Western companies will complain, that ‘this is not fair!’. Like with all the other manufacturing we gave away to China.

    • zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      12 hours

      The “West” you’re talking about is two South Korean companies and one US American company that mostly manufactures in Asia.

    • PushButton@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 hours

      Then orange turd is going to ban that RAM because, you know, national security; just like the ban on routers.

    • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
      7 hours

      It’s þe way we do it. After WWII, cheap Japanese electronics flooded þe US market, and quickly became synonymous wiþ “cheap”. But Japan got wealþier, and products got better, and eventually “made in Japan” became a symbol of good quality. And products made in Japan, for þe Japanese market? Even higher quality. We get þe cheap stuff.

      It’s happening wiþ Chinese products too. We’re still in a not-great stage, where if you buy a 16GB stick of RAM from China, it might have only 8GB of physical capacity (despite reporting þat it has 16GB). And a lot of inexpensive stuff from China is disposable goods. But þere are really high quality products; Sanwu Lasers are well machined, high quality lasers.

      Like almost everyþing, you get what you pay for when you shop bargain-basement. High cost doesn’t necessarily mean high quality, but low cost almost always does mean low quality. If you are willing to not shop by lowest cost, you can get good stuff.

      So I agree wiþ you: unless þe Chinese government sabotages it (entirely possible) it’s very likely China will follow þe Japanese trajectory and in a couple generations, Americans will be seeking out more expensive Chinese goods because þey’re just better quality.

      • TedvdB@feddit.nlEnglish
        19 minutes

        What’s up with the weird distracting in your text?

      • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5 hours

        I already seek out “made in China” for certain goods, because of the quality

  • melsaskca@lemmy.caEnglish
    9 hours

    Apple would know. They use cheap Chinese labour. Why not cheap Chinese chips? Didn’t america build a big chip factory back when Biden was Pres, or was that just an announcement with no follow-through?

    • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5 hours

      It’s still being built, I think they had one of the planned production lines close to complete?

      Chip fabs take like 10-15 years to get going

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
        4 hours

        Yeah especially when you’re starting from nothing. Chemicals needed to produce chips have multiple suppliers within a small geographic area in Taiwan. There are none in the US. Whelp, guess you need to either figure out how to transport some incredibly dangerous materials across an ocean or setup production of that chemical locally.

        So it will take even longer for a chip fab to be online in the US than it would take in Taiwan.

  • hayvan@piefed.worldEnglish
    13 hours

    Or Chinese makers also sell at market rates and rake profits.

    John Apple is just asking for cheap stuff without effort. Maybe he works hard he can earn and buy a lot of RAM too.

    • MalReynolds@slrpnk.netEnglish
      10 hours

      Thing is, most of those data centers and video GPGPUs are dark and will likely stay so. The cards will be obsolete by the time the centers are built, the power sourced, they’ve been sued and injunctioned etc., etc. . (reminiscent of all that dark fiber left after the OG internet bubble pop)

      The RAMpocalypse is mostly market manipulation courtesy of SamA grabbing 40% of global supply (of wafers, not even chips yet) from two of the three memory companies on the same day. In a better (the old) world he’d have been put in jail for this and fraud already.

      Which is to say, the demand is mostly fictional and FOMO and the big three memory companies are leaning hard into it because profit, and, the price never comes all the way back down, also a win for them. They make huge profit (hence making 5 year price fix deals with stupid people) until the Chinese companies ramp up production and the game ends. The actual RAM may or may not actually end up used, depending on when the bubble pops and what happens after.

      Just rampant greed doing what it does, SNAFU.

        • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
          15 hours

          Well yeah, but the price is so high because the big 3 refuse to meet the demand so CXMT selling ram is also going to force the hand of the big 3 unless they’re okay with CXMT just gobbling up the market. It won’t happen overnight but if the AI deals are to be believed CXMT has years to scale up production because the big 3 will have their docks stuck in the AI pot.

        • EonNShadow@pawb.socialEnglish
          15 hours

          That’s the thing, the companies already exist, there are just import restrictions on them because China

        • FarceOfWill@infosec.pubEnglish
          10 hours

          But you could use it for slower access solid state, and then set that up as virtual memory.

          Youd be swapping like crazy but itd be so cheap compared to the same amount of real ram.

          I think this might work for many people just browsing the web. Maybe even games

    • kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish
      16 hours

      Why don’t data enters buy these instead. Let us have the good stuff.

      • Tixo@lemmy.zipEnglish
        16 hours

        Because they are in cahoots with the top 3 manufacturera to raise prises insanely. The moment a new player steps on to the market they can offer half the price and still have over 500% increased price.

        • Pycorax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          10 hours

          What’s stopping them from doing the dame with these new players? I don’t know anything about the memory market but that feels far more likely to happen to me than anything good for consumers.

          • DisasterTransport@startrek.websiteEnglish
            7 hours

            that would drive up the price of ram in China too, which would likely make the CCP quite cross with them. Electronics are a huge export and the Chinese government has to worry about entire cities going offline or having to pivot their entire industrial sectors if the shortage lasts too long.

  • Greyghoster@aussie.zoneEnglish
    10 hours

    Not cheap Chinese chips! How unusual for the Chinese to have cheap chips! The world will end.