https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/23/cop-city-protester-phonehttps://consumerrights.wiki/w/Common_Questions,_Arguments,_%26_Responses_when_discuss...
  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
    4 hours

    more evidence that we really should be finding more effective ways to fight back. nazis like karp and thiel are already openly saying they want to enforce control and fascism globally. this is only going to get worse.

    what would get people en masse into open alternatives? massive smear campaigns? massive ddos campaigns? is their own enshitification and endless profit seeking the key to bring people over?

    we need our heads together, this is gonna be another front in the class war and we cannot let them build 1984 unchallenged in front of our eyes.

    • Talcosis@lemmy.zip
      2 hours

      Simple tutorials.

      I know that a decent chunk of the privacy/Linux folk have that same “I had to suffer and you should too” boomer mindset, and that’s like 80% of the reason I haven’t stopped using Google and Microsoft.

      I’m not a software dev, but I do have a job and a life and shit. There is only so much time I can spend trying to figure that shit out before I decide it’s not worth it.

    • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3 hours

      Enshitification has done enough to get me off Reddit, I personally think very simple entry level tutorials on how to best personally disconnect from the surveillance apparatus, myself I am not computer savvy at all whatsoever so I have a long road ahead of me, too. I’m young but still old school, I like printing zines and putting them out into the world physically, maybe something easily printable telling people

      1. What the problem is

      2. How to solve it themselves

      3. How to help others become aware subsequently help them.

      Of course, online messaging will work too, just needs to be very very wide spread.

  • dasrael@lemmy.zip
    4 hours

    Apple IOS user accused of chil… Google Android user accused of chi…

    fuck off.

  • Juice@midwest.social
    4 hours

    My boy is a hero for not allowing his contacts to become states evidence

  • ghost_laptop@lemmy.ml
    7 hours

    in the burgerreich, when you complain about the government, you get accused of child abuse

  • f3nyx@lemmy.ml
    14 hours

    something I feel is important to note: they added CSAM to the list of things they were searching for in order to gain access to his phone.

    when the phone was clean (due to the wipe), they did not follow up on that charge

    if they truly believed this person to be in possession of CSAM, a warrant should’ve been issued by now to follow up on that very serious accusation. instead, they go after the destruction of evidence.

    because they have nothing on this man, and it was a fabricated excuse to gain access to his phone.

  • Hakuso@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
    18 hours

    Meanwhile they keep covering up that ranch in New Meico and hiding the list of all the murdering pedophile rapists.

    They use CSAM as an excuse to attack the innocent, while protecting the people who are actually involved in it.

  • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
    19 hours

    The US Department of Justice is attempting to prosecute an Atlanta resident in connection with the movement against the police training center known as Cop City because he had GrapheneOS on his phone

    Experts said it may be the first time the law has been aimed at the operating system

    What clown wrote this? It has nothing to do with GOS specifically, it has to do with destruction of evidence. Not trying to suggest that this person is guilty at all, it’s just very strange phrasing. I guess “Protestor charged with destruction of evidence for deleting phone contents” gets less clicks than “protestor charged with running iLlEgAl operating system!”.

    The case, which had its first hearing on Monday, centers on a little-known US federal statute that makes it a crime to destroy property in an effort to prevent it from being seized.

    Is it really “little known” that destroying evidence is illegal?

    • quick_snail@feddit.nl
      5 hours

      No. They can’t charge him with data destruction because it was the officer that destroyed the data.

      You’re right, they will not be able to charge him with anything. This is an excellent case to set a precedent that this tech is totally legal.

      • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
        2 hours

        That’s not correct, according to the first sentence of the article.

        The U.S. government has charged Samuel Tunick with allegedly typing in a passcode to wipe his phone

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
      16 hours

      Is it really “little known” that destroying evidence is illegal?

      I suspect you are attacking the article’s lack of awareness and precision, but I applaud them for not echoing the fascist government’s carefully crafted and fictitious propaganda narrative.

      The government attempted to illegally and unconstitutionally search a person’s personal property. They had no cause, no suspicion, and no warrant. There was no evidence to begin with and no evidence to delete. What a person does with their own property and data is not the business of the government outside of due process. No evidence was deleted because nothing was evidence. The accusation is a work of fiction meant to punish someone for exercising their rights in the face of abuse.

      • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
        13 hours

        Or to put it simply. The Government can’t blanket search your property for a crime. They need a specific crime and probable cause. Not just, “We don’t like you. Let me see your phone so I can find something illegal.”

      • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
        16 hours

        I suspect you are attacking the article’s lack of awareness and precision

        Uhhhh nope, I was attacking the article’s notion that few people know that destruction of evidence is illegal, as I said.

        There was no evidence to begin with and no evidence to delete

        How could you possibly know that?

        • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zipEnglish
          11 hours

          It was a targeted harassment search into a political nuisance, not an actual warranted investigation. There was no charge. They let him walk away. Can’t have evidence if there was no crime.

          • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
            11 hours

            It was a targeted harassment search into a political nuisance, not an actual warranted investigation

            There is no difference, legally.

            Can’t have evidence if there was no crime

            Can’t know if there was a crime if the evidence was destroyed. Imagine if a corporation were being investigated for some sort of crime and they just went and deleted any evidence of it. Does your statement still apply?

        • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
          16 hours

          If you have mushrooms in your car it is not evidence unless it is discovered during a lawful search as required by due process. Cops cannot just randomly search cars or any other property without cause.

          Hypothetical things are not evidence, regardless of whether they may or may not exist. The phone and any data on it was not evidence because the authorities had no legal or constitutional right or cause to search it.

          Since the phone was wiped, there is no data. This means even the hypothetical was-never-evidence data still is not evidence, because it is literally the absence of evidence. This is as much “destruction of evidence” as the last time you emptied your computers trash folder.

          • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
            15 hours

            If you have mushrooms in your car it is not evidence unless it is discovered during a lawful search

            If a cop has a warrant to search your car for mushrooms and you then burn the car to the ground, that’s destruction of evidence.

            If the IRS subpoenas your tax documents and you throw them in a fire, that’s destruction of evidence.

            Anything deemed to be pertinent to an investigation is evidence.

            • whalesmoker@lemmy.ml
              11 hours

              😂 As if the police doesn’t abuse innocent activists for state repression

            • pucker4676@lemmy.ml
              15 hours

              There was no warrant. And in this scenario the piggies accidentally burned the car to the ground while performing an illegal search. Messy example that doesn’t line up 1:1.

        • Shayeta@feddit.orgEnglish
          16 hours

          For evidence to possibly exist, you need to be charged with a crime first. Evidence exists within context of a charge. No charge - no evidence.

          • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
            10 hours

            LOL what!? So you’re saying law enforcement has never obtained evidence without first charging someone with a crime!?

            E: if you’re downvoting this, you are a moron. You cannot charge someone with a crime without any evidence. The evidence comes first.

            • Shayeta@feddit.orgEnglish
              15 hours

              I’m saying you cant “destroy evidence” if you haven’t been charged with anything since at that point it isn’t considered evidence.

              • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
                12 hours

                This is just complete insanity. You live in a fictional universe. That’s not how any of this works.

                • Shayeta@feddit.orgEnglish
                  12 hours

                  “Ah yes, that piece of paper you wrote something on a week ago and threw away that we have no idea what was on it? That is actually now evidence, and since you disposed of it you are now being charged with destruction of evidence.”

                  The way things are going it might actually become that way. And then you’ll see true insanity.