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GNOME Boxes Preparing To Deliver Much Improved Virtualization Experience

www.phoronix.com

GNOME Boxes lead developer Felipe Borges has been overhauling the application with a major rewrite and today announced the new beta release. GNOME Boxes has migrated to using the GTK4 toolkit and libadwaita. The new GNOME Boxes code can also handle installing Microsoft Windows 11 now without needing any manual workarounds for Secure Boot or TPM requirements.

The new GNOME Boxes code also introduces a VSOCK device for accessing VM contexts and other improvements. With the revamped GNOME Boxes, it’s also shifting to a Flatpak-first and only model for distributing of new GNOME Boxes releases.

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    • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
      7 hours

      I will stick with Virtual Machine Manager. They both use the libvert back end and qemu, but gnome boxes is way too dumbed down.

    • IanTwenty@piefed.socialEnglish
      1 day

      A gave up with boxes many years ago as it would not restore vms from snapshot reliably, something I use a lot.

        • JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          7 hours

          Wow “the <insert distro here> users are too stupid to deserve my package”. What a dick take.

        • voyage0@sh.itjust.works
          10 hours

          The issue seems to be mostly about the support overhead from really outdated versions still shipped to the public. This seems to be a legitimate concern and why I avoid the distros in question myself.

          The issue about “inferior” package managers is not that wrong as well. Version mismatches between dependencies is a big issue in development and why stuff like docker, nix and even atomic desktops are so successful.

          I’m a big fan of the classical package managers, especially for my base system but the overhead on developers and packagers is definitely not negligible especially if they use pre release versions of dependencies like bottles did.

          Lastly I completely get that you don’t like the tone, the mint/home calendar issue was, while I get the concern, a hard read

          • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
            7 hours

            I’m not arguing any of that. Package maintainers are doing invisible and often thankless work. The way this person communicates really struck a cord.

          • Mactan@lemmy.ml
            7 hours

            they also got distracted by a project rolling their own distro instead of focusing on Bottles. same fate has befallen lutris

            • SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml
              6 hours

              I may aswell ask here: suppose I have a bunch (like, a lot of them) of Wine / Proton prefixes managed by Botttles and want to move on with the least of hassle, keeping these prefixes and my preferences intact. Is this possible with some other solution? I’m not a strict gamer, my prefixes have more productivity applications than games per si. So I didn’t look into Steam, Lutris, etc.

            • voyage0@sh.itjust.works
              10 hours

              Not rust itself, it is a great language with lot of upsides. The problem is the rewirte part. A lot of projects underestimate the burden of rewriting your code from the ground up. A lot focus power on a “new and improved codebase” that is never finished while to old codebase isn’t properly supported anymore due to the focus on the rewrite. Rust is just notorious for these kind of rewrites as ist a fast and memory safe language where a lot of developers see advantages for their project (sometimes rightly so).

              • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
                8 hours

                Ah, makes sense, thanks! I can imagine small projects must be careful. On the other hand if someone does it for fun and learning that is fine even despite the risk of not finishing :)

    • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1 day

      i REALLY needed this when my everything server was running since i managed it headlessly using vnc w a minimal installation of gnome.

      virt-manager works okay, but it would be nicer not to have to install more than what’s needed for a headless setup.

      • the_weez@midwest.social
        1 day

        You can use virt-manager over ssh, and you only need libvirt installed so probably already good if it’s a vm host. It works better for me than a full gui over vnc.

        • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1 day

          i tried that with x forwarding over ssh and it didn’t work all that well; what’s why i switched to vnc.

          • Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org
            1 day

            you can use ssh to forward the port and then use virt-manager locally to manage the remote server

            • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1 day

              i gave that a shot too. it works, it’s just that the vm management was only part of what i needed since it also controlled the sdn.

          • the_weez@midwest.social
            1 day

            Like arsecroft says, virt manager has this ability built into the application itself. You add another session to the ui and choose ssh. No X forwarding needed, no gui needed on the server at all, don’t need the virt manager app on the server just the client. Cockpit also works as a web based ui.

            • xthexder@l.sw0.com
              8 hours

              Oh that’s good to know. I’ve got roughly the same VNC setup with virt-manager, so I’ll have to try it out. I would get rid of this VM if I could, but it runs CI for my Windows builds. Since I daily Linux now, it’s the only way I’ll know if I break MSVC.

            • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1 day

              NICE! i didn’t catch that part and thank you for making me aware.

              i did try cockpit and i had better luck with it too.

      • [email protected]@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4 hours

        I just don’t understand some of the downvotes on Lemmy. It’s happened to me too. I wrote what I thought was an entirely positive post without anything controversial and one person downvoted me. I wonder if this is some cultural thing that came over from Reddit.

    • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
      1 day

      What was wrong with the old Boxes?

      It didn’t support containers or the more advanced features of libvirtd like virt-manager does, but it seemed fine for what it was the couple of times I tried it out.