Windows Recall remains controversial a year after its announcement. Now, the Brave browser has taken new measures to "protect" users from the feature.
  • zewm@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 months

    Literally nothing will get me to use this crypto scam of a browser.

    • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
      11 months

      That’s not even the worst thing about him. He also invented JavaScript.

    • Quibblekrust@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      11 months

      He invented JavaScript, so definitely don’t use that either. For real. JavaScript sucks.

      • bier@feddit.nlEnglish
        11 months

        I used to hate JS but barley had used it. Now I use it on a daily base and hate it even more.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11 months

      What does that have to do with the browser? Last I checked, browsers aren’t transphobic.

      You do you, but I personally refuse to make product choices based on the person who makes it. Brave is the least bad chromium browser, so I use it as a backup to my main Gecko-based browser. I’m not a fan of Mozilla either, but that’s irrelevant since I pick my software based on what it does, not based on the management of the company that builds it.

      • Engywook@lemmy.zipEnglish
        11 months

        Actually, I consider Brave the best (or the least bed…) browser on the market. Period. The fact that it isn’t made by Mozilla is a plus for me.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11 months

          I don’t like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser:

          1. FOSS
          2. Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I’d actually be okay with ads if they didn’t track me
          3. Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don’t want a repeat of the IE era
          4. Security
          5. Performance

          Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don’t really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4).

          • Engywook@lemmy.zipEnglish
            11 months

            Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional).

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              11 months

              I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It’s fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need.

    • szymon@programming.devEnglish
      11 months

      He could be next husband of Ivanka Trump - I don’t care

      If he provide good service for me - browser which fits my needs. I would even send him money every day

      • Kris@slrpnk.netEnglish
        11 months

        That’s the logic of as long as it benefits ME I don’t care and I support them no matter what they do. This same logic has been applied to all the shitty things done in history like slavery, war and so forth, and the reason the world is the way it is.

        • mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          11 months

          Do you know all the personal histories of all the people related to all the services you use?

          • Kris@slrpnk.netEnglish
            11 months

            Of course that’s not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness.

      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
        11 months

        “I’ll support fascism as long as it’s convenient for me”

          • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
            11 months

            If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn’t hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it’s extremely dangerous and ruins lives.

            You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn’t have the same view.

            • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11 months

              Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    11 months

    Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC

    As does Linux.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      11 months

      OK, you need to explain to me how tf does Linux block something that works only on Windows.

  • Geodad@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
    11 months

    Linux blocks that “feature” too…

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      11 months

      What feature? Recall?? That’s Windows 11-specific and hasn’t even launched yet??

      • Syltti@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 months

        The joke is that Linux blocks this by not doing it at all. Which is why people should switch to Linux. Which is a good idea. But that’s up to the people.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 months

    The better option would be to not use spyware as an operating system.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          11 months

          I don’t know, maybe because I understand the definition of “spyware” and “telemetry”?

          • ThirdConsul@lemmy.mlEnglish
            11 months

            Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.

            The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can’t be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn’t sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.

            That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              11 months

              However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed

              Ah, so you’re another one of those fear-mongers?

              Here’s the Required Diagnostic Events Fields (required telemetry) documentation.

              Keeping in mind that it’s anonymous - which parts of this are you so vehemently against sending to Microsoft?

              That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

              The shittiest spyware in history, I guess, considering it’s all anonymous…

      • Fijxu@programming.devEnglish
        11 months

        I don’t think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          11 months

          It’s not, but it’s also not spyware - it’s local, encrypted, AND optional.

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              11 months

              So you’re saying you haven’t bothered to read about Recall at all, you just assumed it’s going to be enabled by default?

          • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
            11 months

            I believe they are talking about Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

            An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              11 months

              Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

              Of, ffs, grow up.

              An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

              You have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?

              Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally. It’s got NOTHING to do with telemetry, because it does NOT send data to Microsoft.

              • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
                11 months

                Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally.

                Show code or gtfo

  • SpaceScotsman@startrek.websiteEnglish
    11 months

    They haven’t blocked the windows feature, they’re using DRM to interfere with it. Microsoft could easily change how the DRM works any time they want, rendering all these hacks useless.

    • thevoidzero@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 months

      Exactly, how do you even fight with the OS except just making it bit hard for them lol. You have to tell the OS what pixels to put in the screen, there’s literally no way you can hide things from the OS if they want to know.

    • moe90@feddit.nlEnglish
      11 months

      then people can complained it on Brave Github or their official forum and it will be fixed by their team

  • blobchoice@feddit.ukEnglish
    11 months

    Unfortunately that would involve using the Brave browser, which is an antifeature in itself.

      • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
        11 months

        They shit on it because just like Mozilla, they made some shit decision by making some shady partnerships, and because the CEO is transphobic/homophobic/can’t remember

        Apart from the usual bullshit and antifeatures it has, it’s still a great browser choice, just like Firefox

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          11 months

          “Just like Mozilla”.

          Let’s compare.

          Mozilla: installed a closed-source plugin once, and then apologised for it.

          Brave CEO: actively supports homophobic organisations, donates money to them, injects affiliate links to stores, whenever given a microphone will say something bigoted and homophobic.

          Yeah, it’s totally the same exact issue with both browsers!

          • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
            11 months

            Brave: injected affiliate links once, then apologised for it too. Developped a search engine to be less dependent on big companies

            Mozilla is spending money like crazy, just like Wikipedia, has little to no democratic system which makes people fork the stuff they make, and prefer to use the money from donation to buy trips all over the world to educate about privacy and shit while they proceed to keep adding more telemetry and BS in firefox

            They also make it close to impossible to install plugins outside their plugins website, which I’ve heard has some strict rules and take a lot of time to approve stuff. Closed garden bullshit again

  • sfjvvssss@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
    11 months

    In this thread something I see a lot on lemmy is happening. Maybe someone can give me a hint on how that happens. The post itself is 90% upvotes, while the comment section is really anti-Brave (for good reasons). Do most upvotes come from people scrolling through without looking at the comment section and those with an opinion on the topic dive into it?

    • Trihilis@ani.socialEnglish
      11 months

      The post itself is reasonable quality and informative so I find it upvote worthy. If a post is low quality or a shit post then I downvote.

      To me the karma system is about quality. Not an “I agree/disagree” button.

      For comments I only down vote obvious trolls, bigots/racism etc.

      • macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 months

        The problem is that people routinely upvote bullshit, falsehoods, and flat out disinformation. Just because it was well written does not make it true.

    • onnekas@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      11 months

      I think you should not downvote a post you have a negative opinion about. If the post is worth to discuss then why should I not upvote the post and then say that I disagree in the comments. If we all down vote those posts nobody will see it (apart of those who sort by controversial) and there will be no discussion.

    • MaXsteri@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 months

      I upvote the post because I support the feature, and would like to see more browsers implement more privacy focused features.

      I upvote the anti-Brave comments, because fuck Brave.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11 months

      Oh so they’re just doing whatever Firefox is doing in private mode on Android that makes screenshots all black

  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 months

    Let me know when it is discovered that they in fact replaced MS Recall with their own version that was scraping your data in yet another sketchy attempt to make money.