cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/37491366
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- pastermil@sh.itjust.worksEnglish8 months
Having Fedi folks agreeing with 4chan is not on my bingo card this year, or ever.
Lol its a hate speech site, nazi bar. They literally use n-words. As someone from a family of immigrants, I don’t deal with bigotry like “go back to your country”, so no thanks, you can go enjoy the toxicity if you want lol.
- Icytrees@sh.itjust.worksEnglish8 months
Undeterred “free speech” has a self-limiting feedback loop where the most extreme views shared by a majority of users eventually drown out minority views. Threats and insults are a kind of self moderation in communities like those, they incentivise uniformity in opinions and demographic while deterring minority/disenfranchised groups from interacting, which is exactly what happened with 4Chan. For example, as of 2025 roughly 80% of 4Chan users are male compared to, say, Tumblr’s 49%
Formal moderation, while not always well done, is a way to protect diverse opinions.
- justadudeingear@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
Well the internet is written mostly by bots. Everything needs Id and spying. We may end up building a new internet so fuck the old internet
- 8 months
We’ll build a new internet with blackjack and hookers.
Just like it used to be.
- Agent641@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
And the hookers are just all obese sweaty neckbears roleplaying as hookers
- Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish8 months
Hey, dont kinkshame! Some still look back at Elwynn ERP as their peak charming point!
8 monthsOh meshtastic is really cool but even without GPS broadcasting, it is FAR from private. There are some serious flaws with its encryption apparently that the devs don’t want to address, and im like 99% sure you can just be triangulated anyway.
That being said, meshtastic is awesome and everyone should try it. Its a lot of fun and you can “meet” cool people in your community who are kind of makerspace-adjacent and usually kind in general.
Also don’t listen to the meshcore grifters, meshcore is proprietary and requires you to pay for licenses to use its full feature set. They’re like reverse Linux users who just show up whenever meshtastic is mentioned to try to convince you to give your freedoms away.
- Technoworcester@feddit.ukEnglish8 months
Some of us like (and play with) both systems - both are fun and have their individual pros and cons.
as a side note nothing is paywalled off in meshcore however there is a soft lock (10 second wait) for some bits. Not saying I like / agree with it but worth mentioning its not a hard pay wall.
Are there actually enough users that I can stumble upon others in radio mesh range?
So the radio mesh range depends on a couple factors but the short answer is “yes, easily.”
The long answer is that the world record for longest direct meshtastic/LoRa message is 90km, but you can easily get 1/10th that with some buildings and whatnot blocking the way. Getting really good antennas and sticking a node way up high like in your attic, on your roof, or in a tree and using a personal device closer to the ground that bounces off of it is the most “ideal” scenario for a home setup. I currently talk with people three cities over regularly, and there are about 110 nodes in my area and constantly growing.
Because there are no cellphone towers, you’re kind of responsible for getting your node high up if nobody else has set up a
ROUTERnode on a nearby mountain (by the way the router role is not the same as your home router, its supposed to be like a cellphone tower but way up on a mountain, not a rooftop of a tall building).And if you’re the first person in your area, Heltec often sells their chipsets in 2 pack bundles with cases and batteries. Give one to a friend and ask them to pay it forward if they like it!
If you want to get started, you have two basic starter choices: the cheaper Heltec V3 (or now V4) based on ESP32, or the more expensive Heltec T114 based on RAK. The former is more powerful but drains battery like crazy, and the latter is more power efficient but lacks features like Store & Forward. There are other brands of board makers, but Heltec is the entry tier (and both are pretty solid from what I can tell of the two units I have). There is lots of room for DIY builds too if you are looking to do custom shells for on-person devices or enclosures+beefy antennas for outdoor units.
I might not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend to death, your right to say it kinda shit
- 8 months
Within reason. Libel, incitement to violence, hate speech, etc, should be illegal for obvious reasons
- nekbardrun@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
There is an obvious reason why countries like Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute.
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
Like alot of things in the USA, laws are selectively enforced to protect the status quo.
“Youre anti fascist? Youre a terrorist!”
America’s first amendment doesn’t grant a total right to free speech. Conspiracy to commit murder is just speech, but is very much illegal, and so is copyright infringement.
- burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish8 months
Conspiracy actually requires an act towards the plan. It’s not just speech.
- lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish8 months
Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute
And look how that’s working for them: clamping down on pro-Palestinian protests as antisemitism, raids & arrests over calling a politician pimmel.
America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason
The 1st Amendment “understands” just fine. You don’t understand and want a thought-police state.
- 1rre@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish8 months
Everyone has a different definition, but yeah generally free speech in an ideal sense extends to just before you start causing what a reasonable person would concern harm to someone.
- FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
Fuck that. People spreading racial hate and public lies with the intention to mislead the public should be locked up.
- 1rre@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish8 months
I would say intent matters and while it’s impossible to truly determine it, we still have a distinction for murder/manslaughter and negligence.
If a politician lies or hides something for personal gain, that should be illegal, but there’s so much stuff the state does where it’s best if the general public don’t know, public order would probably break down pretty quickly otherwise.
Same with racial hate. If it’s just stating an opinion, fine, I probably don’t agree but go ahead. If you’re actively trying to harm (mentally, economically, socially or physically) that group, or inciting others to do the same, then that’s not fine.
- Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
I can’t think of where “racial hate” could possibly be “just stating an opinion” without also causing harm that is both mental and social.
- 1rre@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish8 months
It depends how you define “racial hate” and how you define mental or social harm. I also do mean social harm, not societal, meaning to catch things like sunset communities (ie restricting where people can live, or where they can go), rather than “society is worse off because of people’s opinions.”
Again, in my opinion, it depends on intent. If you make a post on your blog with 200 followers saying “I’m tired of X race moving to my city,” I don’t think that should be illegal, even if it is disgusting behaviour. If you post it to (eg) a community group for those people, I’d say it should be illegal.
That said, I’m very liberal on policing, so believe that the state shouldn’t be responsible for policing morality, which people may not like when they realise it involves making things that are pretty much objectively immoral legal, regardless of what they are.
- Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
You seem to think that if something is indirect it isn’t harmful, so being openly racist with your friends is OK as long as you’re not telling the people you’re dehumanizing directly? Sounds like you would think cheating on your wife is OK as long as she didn’t find out.
Personally, I don’t think there is any good or acceptable racial hatred, and pretending that there is is what got the neofascists so much political clout around the world.
- Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish8 months
Maybe, but what about when governments start saying being anti-israel is hate speech?
- 8 months
Once your govt has been captured by foreign interests, it doesn’t really matter what laws are on the books anyway, they’ll find a way to screw you over.
- hayvan@feddit.nlEnglish8 months
Early this year Rümeysa Öztürk was kidnapped and deported from USA with precisely that excuse. Anti-Israel hence pro Hamas hence enemy of USA.
- lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish8 months
hate speech
Nope: unless you’re arguing people are mindless automatons who must act on whatever message they’re exposed to, people can be expected to self-control.
- 8 months
Hate speech directly affects and impacts the parties targeted, regardless of whether anybody else is influenced by said speech.
- lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish8 months
Are you saying if you listen to hatespeech all day, then you feel compelled to commit violent acts? Or are you saying you need to lock others away for speech that merely offends you?
If the former, then maybe you need to be locked up. If the latter, then you need help working on your authoritarian tendencies begging for a thought police.
- WALLACE@feddit.ukEnglish8 months
The permission of unrestricted hate speech is what leads the people like your current president being your current president.
- 8 months
It’s ridiculous for the UK to issue fines to a company who doesn’t operate in the country. Just block access if that’s whatever your stupid laws dictate.
- FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
EU fined number of tech giants before, this is not new. If you have users and derive income from a country, you are operating in this country.
Those tech giants operate in the EU and have EU customers. 4Chan does neither and stores no user data. At that point the onus is on the user and the UK/EU should be going after their own citizens that use it if they have a problem with it being used. Ideally, they wouldn’t go after anyone but here we are.
- WALLACE@feddit.ukEnglish8 months
That’s like saying that a company can freely import guns into a country where they are banned, but it’s all the civilians fault if they buy any.
- FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
4Chan does neither
Which word from what I said caused you trouble?
- 8 months
What? And let loose what is basically an opportunity for a bribe?
- fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish8 months
Nobody cares what the UK thinks. The company has no presence over there. Down with the British. :-)
- WALLACE@feddit.ukEnglish8 months
And as a result of that attitude they just lost the entire UK market
Inb4 major Lemmy instances get banned
Let’s start with who they going to fine, and which domains will they Ban!
But yea, it could happen.
- nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish8 months
4chan is full of assholes, but blocking websites is pretty fucked. what person wants their government doing that?
- WALLACE@feddit.ukEnglish8 months
None of us do. Most of us have started using VPNs ever since this law came into effect.
I would normally be sympathetic to their stand except earlier this year when this first started, they called on Trump to use all available political leverages to prevent this and protect free speech. Calling on Trump to protect free speech is just absolutely ridiculous.
- HexesofVexes@lemmy.worldEnglish8 months
4chan is an extreme example of an unmoderated site - indeed it’s what the OSA was designed to combat. If this legislative test fails, it would undermine the acts legitimacy, and provoke questions as to it’s existence.
It’s a shit law - it’s not fit for purpose. Its sole reason for existence is to controle public speech, not protect the children.
- 8 months
I never thought I’d be siding with 4chan.
Just to let you know I was never a 4chan user.
- madjo@feddit.nlEnglish8 months
That’s exactly what a 4chan user would say… *narrows eyes in suspicion*
That catchca is fucking ass. Who the hell wants to do that every post?
- burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish8 months
Back in the day it was humorous, because every 4chan poster ‘knew’ to replace the word that was obviously the unknown word with a slur, curse, pejorative, or random word. Like, how did 4chan not get ripped from being able to use capcha?
