FINE! I’ll Try Linux ONE MORE TIME….
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Thanks to Meter for sponsoring this video! Go to http://meter.com/ltt to book a demo now!It is time to Try Linux ONE MORE TIME. Linus, Luke, and Elijah all s...
  • twinnie@feddit.uk
    2 months

    Most of them seemed to be giving it a fair go but Linus himself seemed to be treating it more like a Cheap Car Challenge from Top Gear. He was cracking (bad) jokes about “just Linux things” before he’d even started and he gave up pretty much straight away. The problems he was having with Discord seemed more like Discord issues than Linux issues.

    I game on Linux without issue. Literally 95% of games just work without issue. Deathloop never ran well and Routine (a UE game) for some reason kept want to install and uninstall a package each time I ran it (but it played fine). I don’t think I’ve found another game that doesn’t play and I recently bought ARC Raiders.

    • 4am@lemmy.zip
      2 months

      Between this, his alleged mistreatment of employees, his problematic takes on unions and worker power, his incorrect reporting proven by other tech reporters, and all the staff I actually enjoyed watching leaving and starting their own channels…I dunno why anyone gives this fucking ass clown the time of day anymore.

      Stay on Windows then, you corporate fuckboy! Enjoy XBox cloud gaming and never owning anything again.

      • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2 months

        Stay on Windows then, you corporate fuckboy! Enjoy XBox cloud gaming and never owning anything again.

        Yep! Linus is basically rendering his own channel obsolete by doing this shit.

    • CallMeAl (like Alan)@piefed.zipEnglish
      2 months

      LTT is not sincere.

      It’s the Pro Wrestling of tech. It’s Tech Entertainment. The focus is drama instead of technical accuracy or knowledge sharing. He “lost the match” because he never intended to win.

    • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
      2 months

      Yea I agree. I don’t like how Linus is doing this challenge at all. He is not being fair.

    • pastermil@sh.itjust.works
      2 months

      Totally agree! We canx’t have serious mass if it keeps getting portrayed as some kind of cheap toy.

      On the other side of all this, tho, we do have Pewdipie seriously having Linux as his daily driver.

      • Krafty Kactus@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        2 months

        PewDiePie has probably brought more people to Linux single-handedly than LTT ever did.

    • kittykillinit@lemy.lol
      2 months

      I think if he had somebody better to onboard him, he’d have a better experience.

      In classic manchild fashion, you people always blame the user instead of the technology. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that switching to Linux is not going to be without issues for anyone, let alone the average computer user.

      Instead of taking the opportunity to be a loser by gatekeeping, we should be saying “Yeah, the Linux ecosystem still has a long way to go. What makes it better is that it’s free software.”

      None of you will say that though because you’re too stuck in your ways. It makes me sick, but I’m glad I’m not one of you.

    • Fierro@piefed.socialEnglish
      2 months

      I use linux exclusively on desktop, it’s got a lot of problems, many seem unique to the user, I hate that the way to discuss the problems for a lot of people is pretending they don’t exist, makes first contact more problematic for newcomers. Even before touching linux I’ve been hating that attitude with a passion from windows users, at least it’s not a problem exclusive to linux.

    • juipeltje@lemmy.world
      2 months

      I was watching an lmg clips video about it last night, and personally found it very unreasonable how he said a game that supposedly worked without tinkering, actually needed tinkering because he had to use proton experimental and add a simple launch command. Maybe i’m an out of touch linux user but… what? Is he really saying it’s that difficult to select proton experimental from a gui dropdown menu, and then copy paste a simple command? There are probably games out there on native windows that require more tinkering than that. If you literally want no tinkering at all, you’re probably better of with a console, which is ironic considering linus is mainly a pc gamer.

      • micka190@lemmy.world
        2 months

        I think it’s fair to call out reviews that say:

        “This works out of the box, and requires no tinkering at all. Anyways, here’s what you’ll need to do to get it to work.”

        Having to tinker with settings and commands is literally not what “requires no tinkering” means.

        • juipeltje@lemmy.world
          2 months

          Oh yeah, i did agree with him that the review was silly by stating two opposites like that, but i did feel like he made it sound like the tinkering he ended up having to do was very involved, eventhough it just takes a few seconds, especially when a review like that has already figured it out for you.

      • Nibodhika@lemmy.world
        2 months

        Honestly, I think he’s right on that one. No tinkering means no tinkering, selecting a proton version to force to use the windows version of the game and passing command arguments is tinkering. That is the difference between gold and platinum in protondb, gold means it works with tinkering while platinum means works oob. L4D2 is marked as Gold, so protondb agrees that some tinkering is required, his complaint that a Valve game in a platform Valve is pushing should work without tinkering is perfectly valid.

      • Zak@lemmy.world
        2 months

        A useful video would be a bunch of people beating on stuff (off-screen or in an extended cut) to figure out what’s actually easy and reliable for beginners, then presenting that information. It would get approximately 237 views, which is roughly a million fewer than the linked video has at this time.

        What succeeds on Youtube is entertainment first and information a distant second. A video where everyone sat down in a quiet environment with no pressure, installed a reasonable Linux distribution, and had a smooth experience wouldn’t be very entertaining.

      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
        2 months

        He’s a moron but yeah copying and pasting a command is beyond normies. They would want to get the command from LLMs for one thing, which would almost guarantee it wouldn’t work.

        • Silver Needle@lemmy.caEnglish
          2 months

          Linus is not at all a moron. The trouble with him is that he plays the role of a boulevard journalist. So he constructs bs narratives to have something to talk about, even when it makes absolutely no sense to create these little plot points.

          It seems to have gotten to a point where he can not switch his style off. Seems to have gotten this way since he started LMG.

          • micka190@lemmy.world
            2 months

            The real problem with these videos is that Linus decides to try and emulate the average user, but then refuses to do even the smallest amount of troubleshooting “because the average user wouldn’t do it”. So it leads to a lot of moments where something doesn’t work out of the box, there’s a trivially simple solution that comes up as the first Google search result (if you ignore Gemini’s output), but he doesn’t bother and just throws his hands up (like the average user would, I guess).

            It just gets frustrating, because their Linux videos end up being entertainment first, and educational… fifth, maybe?

          • Damage@feddit.it
            2 months

            It’s the difference between entertainment and information. Gamer’s Nexus is less entertaining when they recite statistics number by number, and so they have less viewers, because people prefer poor information but with an entertaining presentation, rather than the opposite.

            Kinda like Top Gear used to be, they had some valid information but they could bend it if it meant the show would be more entertaining.

            • Silver Needle@lemmy.caEnglish
              2 months

              I don’t see how information couldn’t be entertaining haha Maybe the point is more about attention spans and there being a fall off in the number of people you can reach with lengthening of the required attention span.

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
            2 months

            You might be right, I’m not even sure what his actual intelligence level is and I didn’t express myself well. I just don’t like the fuck. He was at his most charming when he did the video with Actual Linus™ and he still kind of got on my nerves. And unlike some others, I do not think his criticism of Linux is constructive. And unlike others, I do not find the gamer Nexus expose on him to be a dismissable hit piece, because to me it showed a shady corrupt business relationship with hardware companies and sloppy benchmarking. Not to mention the sexual harassment accusations, which I find credible.

      • lucullus@discuss.tchncs.de
        2 months

        I have not yet watched the video, but it also depends on how easy it is to find the needed settings and how authorative they are. Previously I was on Ubuntu trying to get Nine Sols working with a usable framerate. ProtonDB hat some comments about the needed settings, each comment saying something different, non of them giving positive results. And for using something like gamemode I first had to install it, which is just another step not provided by anything other than comments.

        When I installed Bazzite on the same PC (which was torture in itself because I didn’t want to give it a full disk alone), everything worked out of the box for all my games. That tells me, that Ubuntu had no focus on making the experience for gaming better. Similar to Fedora 43 removing support for old Nvidia cards, while Bazzite still supports them. (I still debate myself on switching again from fedora because of all the hassle)

      • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2 months

        it’s that difficult to select proton experimental from a gui dropdown menu, and then copy paste a simple command

        you still need to find the command, to know that you need to use proton experimental, to not be scared away by the name or the idea of going into options, to know how to open a context menu(something that so many people i have seen do not know), to know how to copy and paste something

        these are not difficult things to do, but they require effort and to learn how to do; the average person(that i have encountered) does not want to spend the time and energy to do those things. They want to just double click the game and for it to open

        i dont think assuming “without tinkering” means without changing the default settings is that unreasonable

        • juipeltje@lemmy.world
          2 months

          Like i said, i agree that it was stupid to put “no tinkering required” in a review, then proceeds to list tinkering steps. I just feel like the difficulty of said tinkering steps is overblown. Especially when you consider ingame graphics settings, pretty much every game requires tinkering regardless of OS, which is one of the reasons i find myself booting up my ps5 instead at times, and if you’re that allergic to tinkering or can’t do it, then console is your best bet. When we’re talking about these basic kinds of troubleshooting steps, i just don’t believe that’s a linux gaming issue, it’s a pc gaming issue.

      • vithigar@lemmy.ca
        2 months

        He’s said a couple of times that he’s trying to view it through the lens of a casual, non-technical user, and the fact that similar problems also exist on Windows doesn’t stop them from being problems.

        • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2 months

          True, but I wish Linus had tried switching distros, or at least not using a distro he’s already had issues with in the past. A lot of his problems are stemming from using an Ubuntu-based distro and COSMIC being a brand new DE that still has a bug of bugs to quash.

          Hopefully in the next couple of weeks they do a collab with Wendel to go over what were the causes of their problems and final recommendations. Sure, the listicles for Linux distros are useless, but having a conclusion from trusted voices informed by people with a lot of experience (aka Luke and Wendel) would do a lot of good by cutting through the bullshit.

          • eli@lemmy.world
            2 months

            Supposedly Linus switched to Kubuntu, but we’ll have to wait for part 2 to see how that turned out. But from the WAN show I don’t think it went well.

            My biggest issue is that there is zero information of what everyone is actually running.

            “I’m running Kubuntu”, cool, what version? LTS or STS? What kernel? What version of Mesa drivers? How did you even install the OS? Ext4? Manual partitioning? Are you using swap? Is steam installed via flatpak, snap, or the deb?

            But nope it’s “lol I installed pop again, shits still broken, Linux sucks! I’m cursed!”

            • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de
              2 months

              Oh yeah, installing Steam from a flatpak also seems to be a good way to avoid some tinkering, I don’t think they have ever done that.

          • vithigar@lemmy.ca
            2 months

            Yeah, agree that choosing the same distro again was kind of silly, but understand wanting to give it a second try. I was also disappointed by the decision though.

            Was glad to see Luke choose CachyOS. I slapped it on a small gaming machine a couple of months ago and have been quite happy with it.

      • aceslip@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2 months

        Part of the problem is that people have gotten lazy. I’d say the biggest advent of people losing touch with the actually tech is windows 7. It had everything at your fingertips. No need to look for drivers, little need for compatibility changes or added set up requirements. Couple that with nvidia automatically adjusting “best settings” for your rig on a per-game basis and you’ve got what we have now. People don’t want to learn and they’ve forgotten how we got here. Unfortunately, click and run seems to be the consumer de facto now and it isn’t going to go away.

    • Ghostie@lemmy.zip
      2 months

      Been playing games and using Discord on Bazzite and haven’t had an issue with anything. I haven’t even needed to do any tweaks to proton yet for a game to run fine.

    • Covenant@sh.itjust.works
      2 months

      I also had some issues with hyprland and steam. That’s why i changed back to KDE. Luke made a great choice to leave hyprland for a later day.

    • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      2 months

      If we are thinking in terms of roles in a production of a sketch, Linus is the one that accepts the role to emphasize and emote about the problems. Picking a distro with known quirks (being a beta in this case) is a signature setup for that role. Without the drama, it would be a pretty boring episode for the LTT demographic.

      That being said, anyone who is ingrained into how Windows operates and has quirks in their workflows (as in - tuned their workflow to work relying on some edge cases), a month is too short a time to transition and embrace that necessary change.

      • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2 months

        Cosmic is not in beta. Its presented as a LTS option front page on system76’s website. Linus does play the lighten rod role for critism but in this one he was completely justified, popOS was a fair choice for a new user and it was a bad experience. Now experienced linux users can see this from a mile away but hes obviously not doing a video about installing linux as an experienced user.

        • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          2 months

          Yeah, I agree even though for all intents and purposes Cosmic v1 is still a beta in the same way any AAA game is still a ”beta” with day 1 patches on release. It should have been an ”early adopter” release at least until the transition to the next underlying Ubuntu LTS.

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
    2 months

    I’ve watched Linus some 10 years ago and it always seemed like he’s more of a face and a presenter and has others do research and tell him what to do. They give him some minimum info and let him go and make content. He knows more than the average person and apparently that’s enough to make content.
    I wish he took it more seriously. He has a huge platform and can reach a lot of people and he often rather uses it for his own enrichment instead shining a light.

    • kittykillinit@lemy.lol
      2 months

      LTT is the internet equivalent of those TV channels that were nothing but ads.

    • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      2 months

      Its a huge media company at this point so by its own logic it has to churn out a lot of content to mantain itself and grow. Basically they just produce a bunch of slop these days.

    • SayCyberOnceMore@feddit.ukEnglish
      2 months

      I do agree - years ago he was doing some good case reviews and I’d pick his videos to compare against others, but I do agree with other comments here that he’s getting click-baity and I tend to skip his vids now

  • sekki@lemmy.world
    2 months

    What I would like to see is a Windows challenge, where they try to achieve privacy as close to out of the box linux as they can get. That would probably genuinely be entertaining.

  • MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
    2 months

    If I went to macbook, tried my windows knowledge of CTL+alt+del, and it fails. I don’t blame the macbook.

    • toor@lemmy.world
      2 months

      This is what bugs me every time I see LTT Linus talking about Linux. He spent decades learning Windows. He immersed himself in it. Now he’s older and doesn’t realize the small amount of researching and “RTFM” for Linux is nothing compared to the energy he spent learning Windows stuff.

      On the positive side - seeing stuff like this in others has helped me realize when I start exhibiting the same negative thoughts and behaviors.

  • Obin@feddit.org
    2 months

    It seems when you have a terrible attitude of entitlement and no willingness to learn, you’ll never be happy with anything. Huh.

    In that case, I’d rather have him stay unhappy on Windows and not make those videos anymore.

  • noxar_ad@thelemmy.club
    2 months

    He really can’t find pop os on a good day huh?

    It’s hilarious how he wants it to work. I think it’s the pre-installed Nvidia drivers  he wants to take advantage of (even though installing drivers on most distros is simply using the package manager) which I don’t understand why he fears driver installation, even windows doesn’t come with Nvidia drivers pre-installed. I don’t get why everyone is hating so much, it’s not like he simply made a video about only his experience.

    Elijah and Luke are actually good view of what the average user might encounter (minus multi screen configuration).

    Also wtf is chimera os? The only 2 times I’ve heard of it are in their videos.

    • macniel@feddit.org
      2 months

      ChimeraOS is a ghetto reimplementation of SteamOS but for regular PCs.

      • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2 months

        ChimeraOS predates the current Arch based iteration of SteamOS by several years. The first release on GitHub is dated 2019 (then called GamerOS).

  • mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world
    2 months

    ffs stop using popos

    Put Fedora gnome workstation and be done with it. Heck, put Linux Mint XFCE and I guarantee he wont even need to reinstall the OS unless the hardware breaks

    • talos@feddit.org
      2 months

      I also don’t get it. How many people realistically only use their desktop PC for gaming and what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro if the same can be achieved with minimal amount on a more versatile distro?

      • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        2 months

        what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro

        User of Garuda Linux here.

        The distro comes with an installer that asked me if I want to install Lutris, Steam, Heroic Games Launcher and the AMD drivers. Asked me about my browser preferences, including Vivaldi, which I actually use. It also took care of installing Wine and Proton GE for me, I just had to select them from a list.

        It also includes a Garuda Toolbox application which is a general “I don’t understand Arch but need to do maintenance” kind of software. You hop in, drop tasks into a queue (things like checking for updates, clearing orphans, merging .pacnew, etc., etc.), and then it handles executing them all in the appropriate order after just a single root password prompt.

        • talos@feddit.org
          2 months

          Sounds great! Do you have experience with other Distros and do you think this distro lacks in any area when it comes to use cases other than gaming?

          • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            2 months

            I still consider myself to be primarily a Windows user (I can actually properly troubleshoot stuff there), but I have dabbed in Linux many times over the years. I’m using Garuda for about a year now and I’m super happy with it.

            As for other distros - I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Tuxedo OS (basically re-branded Kubuntu, specialised for Tuxedo Computers), Fedora, PopOS, and probably a bunch of others I’m forgetting.

            Garuda gave me the most “just works out of the box” experience to date.

            Don’t get me wrong - there was still a bunch of things I had to do to get the experience I truly liked, but it gave me the fewest and the least annoying surprises so far.

            As for things it lacks - if you get the “Dragonized” edition, you end up with a fairly heavy KDE, and some… questionable default theme choices. I’m running the Garuda Mokka, and I think it just looks super pretty out of the box. I disabled a couple of Window Decorations, but even out of the box it wasn’t anything super over the top. You can also always switch to one of the classic KDE themes, like Breeze.

            This was my first foray into Arch, so I can’t tell you if it “breaks” anything someone experienced with Arch would be annoyed about.

      • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2 months

        I’m not sure if CachyOS counts as a “gaming” distro or not, but I use that on my desktop/work machine. I’m pretty familiar with Arch (BTW) and I can do a manual setup from scratch if I need to (that’s what my laptop runs) but Cachy just seemed like a way to use Arch with a simple setup and a bunch of default optimizations. So tl;dr laziness I guess lol.

      • MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2 months

        I am using bazzite cause its the first distro that I didnt have to use hours of my time to fix stuff and fine tune. I normally dont switch my distro often so I never remember how all the small fixes worked

      • some_random_nick@lemmy.world
        2 months

        How many people realistically only uses their desktop PC for gaming […].

        The majority? Not everyone can or wants to afford 10 gaming gadgets just to play the same games on different devices.

        what’s the benefit of using a “gaming” distro

        There are some benefits. (I haven’t and don’t plan on watching the video, so I don’t know which they used.) CachyOS has some optimized kernels that help squeeze out more performance out of latency sensitive games. It is not earth-shattering, but there are measurable differences. One personal example was CS2. It ran fine on Fedora 42, but on Cachy there was noticeable less stutter when there was a lot of action.

        • talos@feddit.org
          2 months

          I guess then we agree? Not many people can afford dedicate devices for just one use case, so a PC, in most instances will also be used for other use cases than gaming.

          Thanks for the reasons for dedicated gaming distros, I wasn’t aware of those.

        • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
          2 months

          Far and away, business is the primary use case for PCs, education second, art and design art likely third, and gaming (while always growing) is still niche use case for PCs worldwide.

          At best, gaming has over taken media consumption as a PC task but I think that has more to do with media becoming primarily, a mobile device activity in the last decade.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
          2 months

          TBF, I think the majority of “people who play games” play them on their phones these days, and PC gaming is not that big of a percentage.

      • Kr4u7@discuss.tchncs.de
        2 months

        You can realistically use whatever you want. But if you want a stable out of the box experience, choosing an OS that is in a beta testing phase of a new desktop environment, might lead to a less than optimal experience.

        • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          2 months

          It used to be, and is still based on Ubuntu the same way as Mint is. Their Cosmic DE used to be a tweaked Gnome, but the current Cosmic iteration is a ground up developed DE done in Rust. It has a lot of promise, but their v1 is basically still beta quality with lots of bugs.

        • darkmogool@feddit.org
          2 months

          Not as i’m aware of it. It’s clearly an Ubuntu branch, but they did other things to it. I don’t an expert 😅

          And imo popos is still better than Microslop.

      • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2 months

        Cosmic is basically a beta DE right now. Most of Linus’ bad experiences seem to be because of that. It looks promising and I can definitely see it as my daily driver, but in a year or so.

        • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 months

          It should be labeled as beta but its not. Its version 1.something so there is no warning of instability on the download page. Really massive L from system76.

          • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            2 months

            Yeah, there’s no winning for them. They obviously underestimated the time needed to write a general purpose DE from scratch and felt they needed to release something.

            • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2 months

              I think they were mostly testing it on their own hardware and didnt weigh up how brand damaging it can be for users to download their distro and use it on random hardware and get cooked by random issues. Even linux youtubers run into issues on it. Its getting good fast, if they’d just held it back another year it’d be so good.

              • mko@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                2 months

                It took a lot longer than planned to get it into an available beta and I guess too long for comfort to 1.0. They should have released in an ”early adopter” release and kept the older Gnome base as an LTS at least until the shift to Ubuntu 26.04 LTS as a base.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
          2 months

          Fair enough.

          I used it on a secondary laptop for a while. I agree that it looks promising, their “Spotlight” equivalent is great, much better than KDE’s default.

  • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2 months

    We need to agree on a better way to get new users to easily chose a new Distro without having horrible choice paralysis. Asking AI doesn’t work, asking reddit or lemmy just starts a massive debate and gets the person asking nowhere.

    Perhaps just refer everyone to nicks latest tier list although that is really for his use case, I mean he doesn’t even have bazzite on the list when it’s a good choice for a lot of people. Maybe there is a website that asks questions and recommends a distro based on that, or maybe I saw a cool flow chart photo that seamed good, but it’s an image so it won’t update itself when people come back to it later and the recomendations change.

    • FreddiesLantern@leminal.space
      2 months

      This gives me an idea.

      Sort of a questionnaire that kinda walks you through the kind of things you’ll use your machine for, what kinda hardware you have,… and then eventually gives you say 3 to four choices at the end. (So the average user can look at a few screenshots and make a choice based on that. Because let’s be honest we all choose our Linux partially with our eyes just like we listen to music).

      Well fuck, another project my adhd wants to tackle but probably can’t.

    • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2 months

      I feel like Ubuntu used to be the sort of default “new user” distro, but they keep going off on these weird tangents so that doesn’t really work anymore. Then it felt like PopOS might have been the new one, but now they’re mid-way between transitioning to COSMIC so that’s not really a good fit either. I think maybe Mint is the default one now, but also Cinnamon is kind of it’s own thing so it doesn’t set a new user up well for becoming familiar with the more universally used DE’s like Gnome or Plasma.

      I think Fedora and Debian are also a decent fit for new users, but that’s also not a very exciting answer so that’s probably why it doesn’t come up as much lol.

      • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2 months

        I dont think we can agree on one distro, there are too many compromises. But we should agree on one resource. Not sure what though.

    • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
      2 months

      I wish that wasn’t a video, but a website with everything explained on one page. We used to host things damnit! /end rant

    • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2 months

      Unfortunately there isn’t a silver-bullet for picking a distro. It’s a hurdle to get over for sure, and one that is likely to hinder general purpose adoption of Linux for a long time to come, but it is also part of what is awesome about Linux if people are willing to understand it.

      Trying a bunch of different distros is really the only way to find out what is going to work for “you”. Scrounge up 4 or 10 flash drives at least 4GB each. Flash them with the ISOs for every distro that remotely tickles your fancy, and boot them up and see how it goes. Figure out your top couple of choices, and install one. If things go well, great, enjoy your new OS. If something is broken or breaks right away, then go install choice number 2 and see if it is still broken. Reasonable chance it isn’t and then you can enjoy your new OS.

    • kittykillinit@lemy.lol
      2 months

      Manjaro was the go-to distro for laymen, but manchildren got upset it wasn’t “their” distro being recommended by parties like Valve so they berated anyone who suggested it.

      • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2 months

        People berate Manjaro because it’s objectively bad. If you use it and like it, more power to you, but please stop recommending it to people new to Linux as it is likely to push people away from Linux when it inevitably breaks. Everyone that recommends Manjaro does so as an “easy to use” and “beginner friendly” distro, but it isn’t. So when it breaks for some arcane and obtuse reason, new users tend to just resign themselves as “not smart enough” for Linux and they go back to Windows. Meanwhile, there are people daily driving Mint, Ubuntu, and Fedora that barely know which way around to hold a mouse.

          • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2 months

            That literally is arguing…

            There is no requirement for you to reply if you don’t want to take part in the discussion on this social platform, but I feel I took great care in my original reply to not attack or berate anyone, you included. Sorry that your favorite distro isn’t the “go-to” recommendation anymore, I guess.

  • dasrael@lemmy.zip
    2 months

    Linus is a tool. I’ve been saying this for a long time. The guy is good at marketing, but he’s very far from what I consider a tech guy. I personally have no idea why his channel has the following it does, and I’ve no idea why some of my friends enjoy his content…which always staggered me because they know more about tech than he does. Hard R, amirite?!../s

    • Manalith@midwest.social
      2 months

      I watch some of the videos from the main channel as well as Short Circuit and honestly I’m more there for the other hosts, even in this video Linus is the most negative of the three. Luke actively uses Linux after the last challenge even if it’s not for every device.

      I watch Jake’s channel now that he left and he’s got more interesting things going on. Same with Alex.

  • Nibodhika@lemmy.world
    2 months

    Honestly, I think lots of people are hating on him just because. Pop is still highly recommended on a random Google search, and his reasons to pick it are legit. Plus he acknowledged that last time the issue was user error + unimaginable level of bad luck, and removing that there would be no reason for him not to use it. Also if you saw the WAN show he also installed Bazzite and Kubuntu on two other systems and got two other issues.

    As much as I want to say he did something bad like last time, this time I don’t see it, his issues are legit and to dismiss them because he’s using an “unstable” (that is the default and recommended) DE or because he chose a distro that is in the top recommendations on every site out there is disingenuous.

  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
    2 months

    This seals it for me, Linus picks bad distros on purpose for views. Wtf, why would you pick pop os again? Distro is in a huge transition right now.

    • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml
      2 months

      I have two different views and explanation what could have happened. Choose one. :D

      The only benefit of doubt I can give Linus with this choice is, because its praised and recommended a lot. And that Linus is tackling this from a end user perspective who is searching the web and ChatGPT recommendation, coming of fresh from Windows without Linux experience. We all know Linus has Linux experience, but he might go the unexperienced route as a guide. And none of the websites doing these recommendations talk about the transitional phase PopOS is in right now.

      But if I assume “bad” intentions, then he very well have made a risky choice by choice. Because he knows the other two will have good experience and then almost nothing controversial would happen = boring video, no interactions in the comment. He might have chose PopOS to boos his channel, not because he really really want to try PopOS again after he got burned so hard last time…

      • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
        2 months

        I think he’s a sleazy little shit who loves money more than anything. There is absolutely no good intentions about this. Even your “average user” knows where to go and whom to ask. The fact that a person goes out of their way to think about replacing an operating system already puts them in a higher bracket on the intelligence scale. Those who don’t know, won’t even have a problem with windows and will never even know what Linux is. I dislike Linus even more after this video.

    • gerryflap@feddit.nl
      2 months

      Because an average user would do that. Hell, I use Linux full-time and I didn’t know that PopOS in a huge transition. A user wants a gaming-focused distro an picks one. It should just work if we want all those Windows users to transition. He can’t do it right either, there will always be someone complaining about his choice. People here seem to think they’re an average user, when they’re really way above average in terms of technical knowledge. Even if Linus should maybe know better, it’s better that he does some dumb stuff because that’s what many people would do.

      • escudella@lemmy.world
        2 months

        Yes, but he could disclose that Popos is in this state. It’s ok to show the experience but he did not go the extra step expected from a tech youtuber. What’s the difference between watching him struggle with popos or having my mother do the same? Isn’t he supposed to be techy and informative? And he did it in a lan party instead of his super expensive and professional whatever lab he built. It feels deliberate to not show the full picture. Linux is incredible for gaming and all he does is ‘let’s ask chatgpt’ and ‘it fails on my machine’. Very good tech tips.

        • Don_alForno@feddit.org
          2 months

          What’s the difference between watching him struggle with popos or having my mother do the same?

          I can’t watch your mom on youtube? Average windows users will want to know if they can make the switch with their average windows user knowledge and approach, that’s valuable information to them.

          If he used all these special resources he has, that would be akin to those “I built this super awesome table from scrap wood I found behind my local supermarket” videos that fail to mention they also used the 100.000 bucks worth of tools in their professional woodworking shop. And people would then rightfully complain about that.

          • escudella@lemmy.world
            2 months

            You clearly misunderstood me. I don’t think there’s much value for someone looking for an easy way into Linux watching someone who already knows the drill. Linus whole motive is helping non tech savvy people with tech things, and I think he could have done a lot better about communicating the state of Linux after installing popos (something you couldn’t watch my mother do even if I livestreamed it to you). He also did not show the troubleshooting afterwards or even testing another distro which can be done very quickly, and declared that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test. To be fair, I also encounter some bugs now and then, but so does every OS. The message I think his video is lacking is that everyone can figure out Linux for general purpose usage. What’s the tech tip otherwise? Stay on Windows because it is a good out of the box experience? From what I remember after tinkering many years before switching to Linux, setting up Windows is a slow, data recollecting riddled, expensive miserable experience. Linux is literally free, he should encourage people to try it.

            • Don_alForno@feddit.org
              2 months

              He also did not show the troubleshooting afterwards or even testing another distro which can be done very quickly, and declared that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test.

              Because he had people waiting for him in a game lobby (that’s the thing I’d actually give him shit for, trying out a new OS at a LAN) and decided to fall back to a known working OS to be able to get on with his day. And that’s exactly what many average users would do in a similar situation (not necessarily sitting at a LAN but maybe urgently needing to get on with productive task x y or z instead of troubleshooting).

              He also did not declare “that Linux still isn’t a good out of the box experience after just one test.”, this is a multi part series and he already said he tried different distros afterwards.

        • Fizz@lemmy.nz
          2 months

          Did you watch the video? Every complaint you made was answered

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 months

      The video is 3 different people not just Linus. PopOS is not an uncommon choice, go into any beginner linux space and you’ll find people installing it all the time. All the issues were from System76 this time and last time.

    • Don_alForno@feddit.org
      2 months

      And a new user trying to pick a distro would know and understand that … how? Because that’s the experience he’s trying to emulate.

      I frequently see pop os recommended on lemmy too, so please don’t act like it’s obviously some outrageously silly choice.

    • dev_null@lemmy.ml
      2 months

      I mean, he does answer why. You can disagree about the reason but he answers your question.

    • FatVegan@leminal.space
      2 months

      I hate LTT with a passion, but pop os is my fist linux distro in a decade with very limited knowledge, and it works really well. I haven’t booted up windows in like 4 months, so i’m not really sure what the fuck he’s even doing.

  • CoryCoolguy@lemmy.myserv.one
    2 months

    He picked PopOS again???

    Look, I have nothing against people who prefer Pop. But the issue with Steam last time around gave me a very negative impression of it. A few months ago I organized a local Linux install party and tried giving it a chance. I could not get the damn thing to install, even after trying multiple ISOs. You can say “skill issue” but if you want a headache-free distro, which Linus very clearly does, my recommendation is to try something else. If Pop works for you, again, more power to you.

      • furry toaster@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2 months

        they did mention, that were shying away from debian because old software, but still choose pop os (follows the 2 year lts cycle of ubuntu, though the kernel is more up to date)

        in the end, elijah (one of the 3 are partaking on the challenge, it isn’t just linus) happened to choose a fedora based distro and had like 0 issues, it is almost like they should have had choosen fedora

    • brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca
      2 months

      Hey, can you say more about the Linux install party? I’d be interested in hosting something like that! Did you find or make any resources to help?

      • CoryCoolguy@lemmy.myserv.one
        2 months

        I hosted it at a local maker space. It wasn’t like super structured. My wife and I took care of most people who came in and occasionally delegating help to the knowledgeable volunteers with the space. I brought some personal laptops with a few distros installed for test driving. Linux Mint was by far the most popular choice. https://endof10.org/ has some useful resources.

    • peetabix@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2 months

      That was my reaction too. Its almost as if he used ChatGPT as an excuse to use POP and have a bad time.