• CEbbinghaus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 months

    Its an endless arms race. Next will be chunking vpns that chunk requests down to 16kb packets and reassemble on the other end. There is nothing stopping a custom protocol from working around this limitation, in a safe secure manner.

    Just a matter of time.

    • Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11 months

      You could probably do it with http if the server properly supports the content range headers.

  • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
    11 months

    According to technical experts, internet service providers across the country have begun implementing a rule that limits data transfers from sites using Cloudflare to just the first 16 kilobytes. This technique is relatively subtle but effective: very lightweight, basic websites can still load, creating a façade of normal internet function, while modern, media-rich sites are effectively broken.

    16 KB per website? What part of the normal internet is that small? What part of the indie web is that small?

    e.g. look at the smallest sites on https://512kb.club/

    Or is this just 16kb per request, which would make more sense with the following explanation:

    Analysts report that similar throttling is also being applied to other major western hosting providers popular with Russian users, including Germany’s Hetzner and the US-headquartered DigitalOcean… [they] are widely used by Russians to host private VPN servers, which allow them to bypass the Kremlin’s ever-widening blocklists.

    AFAIK, VPNs maintain a long-standing connection that would definitely use more than 16kb at a time.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 months

        cloudflare is a symptom of the corporatization of the internet.

        they goals are counter to the goals of the internet to be a distributed repository of communities and information.

        CF not only unifies all the communications through their services, which can cause worldwide outages (happens literally every year), but collects and tracks users across all other network requests.

        CF is anti-privacy and pro-corporate interests.

  • greenbit@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11 months

    Cloudflare and Russia are both bad, take each other down pls

        • CybranM@feddit.nuEnglish
          11 months

          Care to expand on that? Why are captchas bad?

          • greenbit@lemmy.zipEnglish
            11 months

            Sorry, I assumed this was already common knowledge. There’s another thread fork from a comment.

            Tl;dr they’re not good at their purpose and cause unneeded annoyance to users.

            • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11 months

              Idk man, I’ve seen hundreds of examples showcasing how they significantly reduce bot traffic. The point isn’t to make it impossible for a bot to get past it, it’s to make it so expensive per request that it’s not worth it.

            • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              11 months

              And the cloudflare ones are broken as fuck. It varies but I often just can’t pass them. Answer it, wheel goes round and then back to having to tick it and start again. Beep boop.

              If I see a cloudflare check I often just don’t bother loading the site at all.

              • greenbit@lemmy.zipEnglish
                11 months

                Yeah cloudflare gets a similar reaction as a paywall. Fuck this site, I’ll go somewhere else

            • anachrohack@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
              11 months

              They’re meant to prevent bot traffic to sites and protect from DDOS attacks

                • nexguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11 months

                  I do not believe they limit it themselves, they just follow setting set by others. You can choose to block all traffic from certain counties of you want. Or not.

              • greenbit@lemmy.zipEnglish
                11 months

                What the other commenter said and also accessibility issues, aand overall this is a problem which shouldn’t face the end user at all. Just browsing has become just a nuisance after a nuisance nowadays. Just like cookie modals not adhering to browser settings or hiding the reject all behind extra steps.

                • anachrohack@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
                  11 months

                  Yeah would be sick if LLMs and bots just disappeared overnight

            • underwire212@lemm.eeEnglish
              11 months

              The obstacles serve a specific purpose though. Do you believe this purpose is unimportant?

              • greenbit@lemmy.zipEnglish
                11 months

                As usual, the purpose doesn’t justify the means. The goal could and should be achieved without this nonsense