• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I get the impression that the cops are about to hate facial recognition all of the sudden, for no particular reason

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      There’s a reason ICE conceal their faces.

      They know what they’re doing is wrong and don’t want to be held accountable if their fascist rule collapses.

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        So just use one too and blend in. Put on a stupid Trump or racist hat, and if you are not white, put on gloves. Then surround them.

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        They know what they’re doing is wrong

        Is that why the protestors wear them too?

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          Protestors or vandals and rioters?

          The former: to prevent government persecution and unfair retaliation. The latter: yes.

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            Protestors or vandals and rioters?

            Yes.

            The former: to prevent government persecution and unfair retaliation.

            Why would they face persecution if they did nothing wrong!?

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              The government has always had it out for protestors, to the extent that they’ll try and use agents provocateur to escalate the situation. They don’t want people to protest, they just want people to life back and take it. C’mon, you seriously asking this?

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                The point I’m trying to make is that everyone is wearing a mask for the same reason: to prevent retribution for their beliefs and according actions.

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      Cameras. They fucking hate body cameras. When it clears them of wrongdoing, they have the video ready. When they ‘accidentally’ shoot a guy nine times in the back of the head, video seems to be missing.

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        easily solvable problem: losing the footage is indication of guilt. you shoot someone, you better have it ready. it malfunctioned, better have a partner who has theirs ready. if no one has footage to clear you, it’s used as evidence of guilt.

        of course pussy ass lawmakers will never do that.

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          I believe having lack of evidence being the evidence for a crime is problematic, but it sure is evidence enough that they aren’t fit for their job and they should immediately lose it. Everyone Including the supervisor who failed to run the team properly.

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            first of all it’s not lack of evidence, it is evidence itself. if the camera is not working that’s tampering with evidence and is a good indication of guilt.

            second of all if you can have laws like felony murder you can sure as shit have this. if you commit a felony (like a robbery), don’t hurt anyone, and a cop murders a random person in response because they’re trigger happy pigs, you can be held responsible for the murder as if you committed it yourself.

            my suggestion is far more reasonable compared to that: if you kill someone you better have evidence that it wasn’t foul play because guess what that’s what everyone needs to do. we don’t just allow people to kill and go free, cops shouldn’t be exempt.

    • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
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      Upvoted and agreed, not least because I just learned that “all of the sudden,” while at present a nonstandard variant of “all of a sudden,” has valid history.

      And of course it doesn’t matter in this casual context!

      But in formal writing, in this era, using “a” will avoid distracting the reader from your main point.

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        “All of the sudden” is only valid because it’s so commonly (incorrectly) used. Much as it annoys me, that’s just how language works.

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          “of the sudden” (1570) actually predates “of a sudden” (Shakespeare) according to my OED as squinted at through the nifty magnifying glass. But it’s been considered obsolete for a long time despite having all of a sudden experienced a resurgence.

          (Note, I modernized the spellings of “sudden” rather than try to switch focus back and forth)

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            People aren’t saying it because they’re language scholars, it’s because they misheard the proper modern usage. So it goes for many language shifts.

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        No, it’s happening everywhere. But I’ve also seen some significant resistance happening in other cities like NYC, Newark, Portland, Chicago, Seattle, SF, etc.

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      It’s just you. There were mass protests across the country just a couple of weeks ago.

      Unless you meant the senseless destruction of property.

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        Mass protests where people did nothing in particular. That is, in fact, not resistance. People in LA are actually making it harder for ICE to terrorize them.

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          Mass protests where people did nothing particular.

          A mass protest, in and of itself, is not “nothing”.

          People in LA are actually making it harder for ICE to terrorize them.

          I would argue the opposite. You haven’t noticed the National Guard and Marines being deployed there?

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            A mass protest, in and of itself, is not “nothing”.

            It is. What happened on June 14th was technically a mass protest, but it has none of the aspects that make a mass protest effective. In essence, that wasn’t a protest; it was a parade. They can, in theory, be used as a launching point for something more effective, but on their own? Yeah, nothing.

            You haven’t noticed the National Guard and Marines being deployed there?

            Okay and? They were deployed because ICE wasn’t able to do their jobs, and even now they’re suffering widespread harassment and obstruction. Not getting backlash because you did nothing isn’t the flex you think it is.

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    Should be easy to beat this and not worry about being identified and sued.

    I know it will be hard guys, but how about:

    “Don’t be a power tripping asshole”

    You see people holding signs?

    Don’t be a power tripping asshole and shoot tear gas, pepper shot, beat people, and shoot non-lethal rounds at them.

    You see people marching?

    Don’t be a power tripping asshole and shoot tear gas, pepper shot, beat people, and shoot non-lethal rounds at them.

    You see reporters documenting it all?

    Don’t be a power tripping asshole and shoot tear gas, pepper shot, beat people, and shoot non-lethal rounds at them.

    “Don’t be a power tripping asshole.”

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    3 months ago

    Breaking news!
    First animal facial recognition tool invented!
    Soon you’ll be able to prove another rancher stole some of your cattle,chickens,etc…
    For now only works for pigs.

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    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. But this shit will get sued so quick because “safety”

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    I agree with that the abusive cops and ice is insane in the US, and it should be stopped. I also believe that the US is a corrupt nation in nearly every place of the government and surrounding instances.

    But a question surround this, what if the US wasn’t corrupt and the judges would actually follow the law (juries wouldn’t be able to exist for most cases) and hypothetical if the US had privacy laws for everything besides businesses wouldn’t this be the same punishable offence that would protect citizens?

    In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody. (Some people are trying to destroy this in some countries, though).

    At the same time, if the government is allowed to use facial recognition and other anti-privacy measures to identify people where there is no ground to, then why shouldn’t the people be able to do that?

    Edit: I am not from the US and my look on life and trias political situations is different than what the fuck is happening in the US

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      In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody.

      IDK the specifics of GDPR (and GDPR is relatively new, so it will continue to evolve for some time…)

      In my view: the police are public servants, salaries and pensions paid by taxes. They have voluntarily chosen to serve as public servants. Whole hosts of studies show that police who are actively involved with the communities they police, seeing, being seen, being known by the neighborhoods they work in, those police are more effective at preventing crime, defusing domestic disputes, etc. than faceless thugs with batons and guns who only show up when they are going to use their arrest powers to shut down whatever is going on.

      If I were to write “my version” of the GDPR that I think the US should enact, there would be clear exceptions for public servants, including police and politicians. Now, you can get into the whole issue of “undercover cops” which is clearly analogous to “secret police” which may be a necessary evil for some circumstances, but that’s not what is going on with OP’s website. OP is providing a tool to compare photos to a public database of photographs of public servants - not undercover cops. By the way: performance is spec’ed at 1 to 3 seconds per photo comparison, so 9000 photos might take 9000-27000 seconds to compare, that’s 2.5 to 7.5 hours to run one photo search.

    • 𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      The answer is that I don’t think it matters because the US or any other society will never reach some utopic standard of privacy. So long as we live in a world where facial recognition is possible - it is better to regulate it strongly than attempt to prohibit it.

      In a modern globalized world the old privacy is dead, no matter how you look at it. Going forward something new will need to be built out of the ashes, be it a new privacy or something better/worse.

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        Well yeah it is better to regulate it but that should include that you aren’t allowed to use the data from it to track people etc. We already have protrait right in the GDPR so it is already hard to use.

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          Kindly, I believe your blind faith in your societal institutions to be at best naive and at worst a danger to liberty. I mean this as a genuine warning meant to be heeded, not a personal criticism directed at you. I’m an American. This exact blind institutional faith I see you and many other Europeans frequently espouse online was a core part of what caused the civil collapse of my own society. It will happen in yours too if you guys aren’t careful. The prevalence of this way of thinking amongst Europeans I meet online is a dangerous omen. You guys remind me a lot of us back in the 90s. Please. Take it not from an ignorant American, but from a global citizen who has already been down the rough and tumble line.

          I think I’ll just quote you from another comment you made in this exact same thread, because you encapsulated it better than I ever could:

          “…If your country is corrupt then yes the people with money have power. Not every country is corrupt enough for people to really buy into it.”

          This is a fiction. It is a noble lie you are told by people with power. Think semantically. What is corruption? What is “money,” “power,” etc? In your mind, in countries that you believe to be “one of the good ones,” one where by your description the nation “isn’t corrupt enough for people to really buy into it”… who controls the nation and how? Realistically, you aren’t going to be able to provide an answer to that question that is free from discussing existing corruption, because your idea of supposed societies that cross some arbitrary threshold of being “pure vs corrupt”… doesn’t exist in reality. There exists not one corruption-free government, now or ever, in the history of mankind.

          This sounds fantastical from your POV but I do mean it as a genuine warning to be heeded. First it starts with gradual scrapes and nicks at the block of reason… stuff exactly like this that everyone engages in on some level, to some degree - it is a transmogrification of the social conscious… soon yet the fascists carve their own damnable Michelangelo from the marble, instead.

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      Because criminals get out of jail and can go after their families. We had someone leave a bomb on the doorstep of a judge in our neighborhood.

      • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org
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        I’m a librarian. I also work with members of the public, some of whom do not share my understanding of reality. My information is still public because I’m a government employee.