Some key insights from the article:

Basically, what they did was to look at how much batteries would be needed in a given area to provide constant power supply at least 97% of the time, and the calculate the costs of that solar+battery setup compared to coal and nuclear.

  • a4ng3l@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I you live where sun is abundant all year round… In which case (Las Vegas?) I would question the choice of having humans living in a fucking desert in the first place. But man I wish I could cover my needs between October and March here in Europe but no battery will help me store so much for so long :-/

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    3 months ago

    97% sounds impressive, but thats equivalent to almost an hour of blackout every day. Developed societies demand +99.99% availability from their grids.

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        3 months ago

        Funny enough lots of people hate that. Lots of people have binary thinking, it’s either 100% coal or 100% solar.

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          3 months ago

          Yeah, they do, and they pretend to be wise adults while doing it. Like they’re the only ones who thought of this.

          EVs, too. No, we don’t have to wait until they can all do 1000 miles and charge in 5 minutes. 350 miles and 20 minute 10-80% charge is fine for the vast majority of the market.

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            3 months ago

            Urgh, the ones that say “well my ice car can do 700 miles on a tank so until EV can do that I’m not doing it” annoy the hell out of me.

            I know damn well they’re never driven that far without stopping at least once

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        3 months ago

        97% is great (though that is just for vegas) but it is still a long way from enough. Its a truism of availability that each 9 of uptime is more difficult to get to than the last, i.e. 99.9% is significantly more difficult/expensive than 99%

        Then get it from the sources that already exist.

        The problem here is that you cant simultaneously say “Solar is so much better than everything else we should just build it” and “we’ll just use other sources to cover the gaps”. Either you calculate the costs needed to get solar up to very high availability or you advocate for mixed generation.

        None of which is to say that solar shouldnt be deployed at scale, it should. We should be aware of its limitations howver and not fall prey to hype.

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          3 months ago

          What you do is get weather data for sunlight and wind. The two combine to cover some of the lull in the other. From historical data, you can calculate the maximum lull where neither are providing enough. Double that as a safety factor, and that’s how much battery you need.

          Doing this is by far the cheapest way to get to 95% clean energy everywhere. That would be a total game changer.

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      3 months ago

      Do you have a source for that claim? Genuine question.

      My intuition is that the types of impact are widely different, so hard to reduce to a single number that can be compared.