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The vast majority of students rely on laptops – and increasingly AI – to help with their university work. But a small number are going analogue and eschewing tech almost entirely in a bid to re-engage their brains
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- FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
I hate how the term Luddite has been co-opted as a blanket term for someone who rejects technology for any reason. The original Luddites were a labor movement who were angry that technology was taking people’s livelihoods while society was doing nothing to prevent those people from becoming destitute.
Kinda exactly how AI is going to fuck over a lot of people while primarily benefiting the rich people who own it.
- L7HM77@sh.itjust.worksEnglish7 months
Was gonna bring up the same point about Luddites. They were absolutely pro-automation.
They saw greedy corporations using automation, and getting ready to fuck their society into the dirt, so they started petitioning their local governments, tried to negotiate and drew up the plans for a social security program ~150 years before one was actually implemented, smashed a bunch of expensive corporate equipment when the government wouldn’t respond, then the government sided with corporate, used the military to drag all the men, women, and children into public squares and executed every last one of them. Even relatives and companions that weren’t in the group and didn’t participate. So thoroughly annihilated that it left an informational pinhole in the history books, and the name was co-opted into an insult. Now we’re really not sure if John Ludd even existed, maybe the name was just a mythical legend already, and was used as a rally point to boost morale.
And here we are, barely 200 years in the future, about to repeat the fuzzy spots again and rediscover why we brought citrus fruits with us on the ships, with the general population completely oblivious to the brutality the owner class is ready and able to deploy.
What happens if the tech bros are right, and the machine doesn’t need 9/10ths of the human population any more?
- creation7758@lemmy.mlEnglish7 months
Luddite is a derogatory term anyway. One might have legit reasons to be against personally using certain technologies
- Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
Indeed. The Luddites the high-skilled technology workers of their time! And were the first bloody chapter of the labour movement, nearly erased from that history by their oppressors. “Blood in the machine” by Brian Merchant is a great history of this.
- 7 months
I did that in uni, too. Everyone brought their laptops to the lectures while I took notes on paper. Writing by hand makes your brain absorb the information better I think
- LongDickJonsson@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Not just what you think. Hand writing is scientifically better for memory retention and more https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11943480/
- Canaconda@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
It’s undeniably better for memorization. But I think it has diminishing returns for comprehension.
Perhaps it’s just my learning style. I found paying full attention to lectures instead of splitting my attention between dictating and listening, allowed me to absorb more of the material than if I went back to look at notes.
Further, my career best final exam score was 99% on a biology final. I literally re-wrote my study notes out 7 times during the week prior. When I got the test back the following week I couldn’t recall any of the information I had memorized.
- Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
You get the best of both worlds if you have a pad and just, kind of, “doodle” -draw pictures, write short sentences or words while primarily paying attention to the lecture. They help you process, and then place the content of the lecture when you do the reading or assigned work.
- Subscript5676@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
It does. I vastly prefer writing notes by hand than typing em. But my handwriting sucks when I have to write quickly, and I also don’t like lugging around giant stacks of paper. And so I settled on a digital writing pad, and just do the work to type my notes later. Acts as revision too.
- Subscript5676@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
Back in university, it was an iPad mini 5, using Notability. Notability has enshittified badly though.
These days (I’m no longer in university so I do write a lot less), I write on a Kobo.
7 monthsSame for me. Also I sat in front, becouse in the back I would be disturbed by all the not-lecture related stuff people had open on their laptops.
Me too, but that’s because my parents bought me a laptop with like a 19 inch screen thinking it would be helpful. That fucker was heavy.
- Mistic@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
It does, but in my experience, it’s way worse for recollection.
Electronic devices are superior when it comes to storing and organizing data, which makes it a better tool if you prefer to use active recall as a memorisation method.
I had literal books worth of notes until switching to a tablet (a stylus keeps the benefits of writing, btw). And going over them when preparing for exams was an absolute nightmare.
Title is misleading:
Nick, a philosophy student at the University of Cambridge, stopped using his laptop for university work in the last year of his undergraduate degree. He still types his essays, but lecture notes, revision, and essay planning are all done by hand.
The second sentence contradicts the first:
stopped using his laptop for university work
then
He still types his essays
So basically he’s not taking a laptop in to the lecture hall to take notes etc but is still using a computer to complete his work. Which makes sense as pen & paper in that environment is way more practical anyway.
- Akuchimoya@startrek.websiteEnglish7 months
All assignments are submitted electronically now, and if he’s in philosophy, he will also have to follow formatting requirements like font, font size, margins, and spacing. Practically, he’s doing as much as he is allowed off-computer.
They’re still using computers to do their university work and submit it though. It’s more about them not using a laptop in a lecture hall and using pen and paper instead. That’s not really a big deal considering that’s probably what most people were doing anyway up until relatively recently.
- scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 months
Honestly I used to do the same a decade ago in engineering before changing majors mainly cause my laptop was a fucking brick.
I’ve got images of the lecturer giving him death stares every time he starts typing, filling the room with the cliter-clatter of the keys.
It’s great because it’s audible when the lecturer can continue or when not takers are still catching up.
Yeah, the way he does it is basically how everyone did it even 10 years ago. The tools were mostly the same then as they are now, with the exception of AI and the fact that handwriting wasn’t as big a thing anymore when today’s undergrads were in school. If you have a fluid and moderately quick handwriting, paper notes will typically be easier to take and more useful for revising the material later on.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish7 months
I used to take my laptop into the lecture hall but I hardly ever actually used it.
- 7 months
Same. I mostly used it for homework between classes.
I found the most effective strategy for me was to do the reading before class, bring the book in to refer to, listen intently for things I didn’t get from the book, and reread the section after class. If the professor specifically called out something to take notes on, I’d either do that on my phone or pull out my laptop (esp just before midterms or finals).
My handwriting is awful and I almost never refer to my notes anyway.
- stoly@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Studies have also shown that taking notes by writing causes better learning outcomes compared to typing.
- 7 months
That’s only true if you don’t refer to your notes. Reviewing notes has a much stronger correlation to remembering than how those notes are generated.
I had a math teacher in highschool that allowed us make a “cheat sheet” during tests – it had to be hand written on an index card. I discovered that if I actually made a “cheat sheet” I rarely needed to look at it. It’s the same for hand-written lists when I’m shopping.
For a lot of people there’s something about actually writing information down (by hand) the makes it “stick” better in memory.
- 7 months
And there are studies about just that. However, when you review your notes, it matters a lot less what method you used to create the notes.
If you’re unlikely to actually study your notes, handwriting is better. If you’re likely to study them, use whatever is most convenient for studying.
- 7 months
For rote memorization, sure.
I’m more talking about conceptual things, say, in math. You don’t need to memorize it, but you do need to remember how it works. For that, I find the textbook to be the most helpful, and class time is to help understand the textbook. For that type of thing, I don’t need to reference my notes in the future, I mostly need to pay attention in class and revisit the material again later to make sure I got it. Handwriting can help with that type of retention.
- Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish7 months
I have ADHD and didn’t get diagnosed or medicated until after I was out of school.
I basically had two options: pay attention in class or attempt to take notes.
I had so many teachers in grade school complain I didn’t take notes, or do homework but that was a different complaint. The issue was that when I took notes I would miss chunks of information as I was writing and my writing was basically illegible because I was trying to put it down fast. If I slowed down to make it neat I would miss even more information. So any notes I took would be next to useless and I wouldn’t remember anything. And that’s without even determining what I needed to write down.
Grade school was also slow passed and repetitive enough that most of the time I could sit and watch or doodle while listening and retain the information. Basically the only thing I struggled with was spelling because it was just rote memorization.
College was a bit harder in some cases beyond general ed, but for the classes I needed to study for I was able to re-watch the recorded lectures and take the time to write stuff out since I could rewind and pause.
- 7 months
Can confirm, switched away from laptop notes to incomprehensible-to-others fountain pen writing. Writing is the important part anyway.
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish7 months
Exactly how does he research his essays without internet access?
Well you see he’s stopped using the internet for his university work. But he still uses the internet for research for his essays.
- Rooty@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Is taking notes by hand really that exceptional? When I went to college ages ago I only typed essays on a desktop computer, studying was done with textbook + lecture notes, maaybe with a handful of online resources.
I can kind of see this right now. I’m in a first year course and almost everyone has a laptop in front of them. I’m in a fourth year course and most people use paper notes. It could be survivorship or a result of differences in the desks, or it could be generational.
- Ostrichgrif@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
I graduated college a few years back and can count on one hand (with fingers to spare) how many times I saw someone hand writing notes in class
- ulterno@programming.devEnglish7 months
I really like being able to
Ctrl+Fthrough my book.
But there just seems to be some kind of feel to flipping a page that makes me feel more focussed.- Tortellinius@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Engagement. I’m a teacher and using all of your senses to look for information makes you remember that said piece of information more.
It’s funny, most studying comes down to that… And motivation, which is also something you have if you prefer books over laptop.
Your book does one single thing, you cannot be distracted by other functions.
- BackgrndNoize@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Plus the tactile feel and responsiveness of a book us unmatched, it’s lightweight and portable, you will never run out of battery, and flipping back and forth through pages is much more intuitive that jumping between bookmarks in pdfs and ebooks, the only thing that comes close is e ink readers but those have their own tradeoffs
- ulterno@programming.devEnglish7 months
That’s only going to affect me if I am reading something particularly boring and don’t really want to read it.
But if that were the case, I wouldn’t be reading it in the first place.I don’t feel the need to rid myself of distractions, because when I am not in the mood to read a book, I don’t read it.
Also, this “distracted by functionality” logic is what parents seem to use to get rid of stuff with a screen.
I can say for sure, that people being loud in another room is a much bigger distraction.
If your OS is distracting you, you have installed the wrong one.
I think it’s the mental work of “I don’t have to do anything, it will find it for me” and “I have to find it myself” and I think it puts you in a state mentally and keeps you there. You don’t have to disengage because there’s something else doing the work.
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish7 months
The trick is to buy dead tree and also download the same book from the usual online libraries.
- mienshao@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
What a pedantic (and incorrect) take. Luddite can absolutely mean a person who purposefully avoids technology.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted, but words can have multiple meanings and take on new meanings over time. Luddite is one of them. This article used it properly.
And anyone who disagrees with me can kiss my linguistics-degree-holding ass.
“Modern day” Luddite. It’s not just using the word isolated! Tittle clearly mixes the meaning with the historical reference. Plus, the one being pedantic were you… But thanks anyway for pointing out the word has two definitions.
Yeah, there’s this stereotype that professional/qualified linguistics are like super prescriptive but in reality most either don’t give a shit or are interested in informal language
- biofaust@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
In your defense, the statement specifies “modern-day Luddite” which compares it to the historical Luddite bands and excludes the first meaning of the Oxford dictionary.
Also, avoiding is not the same as opposing.
- 7 months
“He goes to the library with nothing but his “pen and paper,” and stays there until his essay is done. “Then I’m free to doomscroll Instagram on my phone without any guilt”
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He doesn’t seem very opposed to technology if he just goes straight home and doomscrolls
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Are laptops really new technology to this kid if they’ve existed for his entire life?
- krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 months
I thought it was some kind of church denomination at first
$5 says it’s the “what’s a computer” kid from like a decade ago
“‘laptop’? it’s like a foldable but with half a screen??? and why is this keyboard broken, all the keys move?? how do I get an overwatch skin for it?? this is awful”
It’s important to recognize phrasing in þe definition. It’s
… opposed to new technology
not
opposed to a new technology.
People opposed to nuclear power are not Luddites. People who don’t like computers are not Luddites. People who are opposed to a hypothetical cancer vaccine are not Luddites. People opposed to autonomous murder robots are not Luddites.
Refusing to use some specific new technology because you believe it’s harmful (wheþer you’re right or wrong) does not make a person a Luddite. Þe connotations of “Luddite” is a person who opposes broad swaths of technology, and it was originally because of economic concerns. Like, opposing all automated manufacturing, because it takes jobs away from people. Þat’s literally where þe term came from.
Þese kids oppose a new technology, not all new technology, and not necessarily because fucking stupid, incompetent decision makers are replacing people wiþ LLMs, but because using LLMs has been shown - in studies - to make people more stupid.
Yeah: if you use LLMs, it’s making you more stupid. You - you vibe coders. You’re getting more stupid. You’re not going to believe me, no matter how many studies I throw at you.
Þese kids are þe smart ones.
- 7 months
Oh shit I remember making fun of you a long time ago for the pretentious use of thorns. Respect for using it for this long but like, is this some type of autistic hyper fixation? Why are you cosplaying a Jute
I doubt it boþers LLMs parsing text; my hope is þat it’ll poison þe trainers a little. Social media is a rich source of training material, and you can’t fuck wiþ þe training data too much or you destroy its value.
Naw. I just started doing it when I created an account to try out Piefed. I don’t do it in any of my oþer Fediverse accounts.
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Went to school before the late '90s: Write everything in paper notebooks & exam books.
Went to school between late '90s-2020s: Tap it all into a computer. Learn nothing.
Went to school late 2020s on: Write in paper notebooks, in between scavenging the ruins for food.
- 7 months
While browsing Insta and Tiktok on a cellphone in class. That word does not mean what you think it means.
- ratten@lemmings.worldEnglish7 months
Laptops are extremely useful. It really doesn’t make sense to avoid them.
I pretty much treat mine as my second brain.
Just remember to back that shit up.
Nothing like forgetting your brain on public transport and getting instant amnesia for the past five years.
Oh it’s available for free as well. Like on purpose.
Cheers. Read some plot overview or smth seems cool yeah got to read that/those
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/accelerando-intro.html
- Allero@lemmy.todayEnglish7 months
As someone who studied without laptop through an entire bachelor’s degree - it is a valid option, and I still often make handwritten notes of study materials.
When you write things down by hand, you process information for longer and use more parts of your brain to do so, which genuinely helps to memorize study materials.
It also allows for more focus. Personally, I found that when I moved, eventually, to using laptop in my studies, it has reduced my attention span and added unnecessary distractions. When all you have at your fingertips is paper and a pen, there is nowhere to get astray.
eh. i prefer desktops. i see the use of laptops, but i prefer to use as little disposable tech as possible.
it’s closer to my wants, but basic spreadsheets are all my clients need right now and that really doesn’t need any more processing power than a phone has. i plug a keyboard and a mouse in and i’m able to work off of there. if i really need to i can cast to a screen, even got a couple usb-C male to hdmi male cables.
i’m always going to need some kind of non-pocket computer, and the desktops are so much cheaper. and modifiable! my last one lived 16 years as the main PC. I tend to ship of theseus them.
- 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish7 months
I pretty much treat mine as my second brain.
Withering away your first brain in the process.
- Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish7 months
Is now a good time to complain about that one guy who brings a $3000 gaming laptop to the computer science lectures because expensive stuff makes him a good programmer and proceeds to distract people accross the room by the sheer volume of his fan spinning?
- Balldowern@lemmy.zipEnglish7 months
Don’t complain about my Lenovo Jetpad. The jet engine helped me think by drowning out other sounds.
I’m deaf now, but that was a sacrifice.
- 7 months
I just have a hard time picturing things being so different from when I left academia only a couple of years ago. Everybody still had pen and paper notebooks
- 7 months
We must stop using devices that use Abominable Intelligence.
They will be our doom
- mang0@lemmy.zipEnglish7 months
Not using a laptop because it can distract you is like shrinking your stomach because you can’t stop eating. Oh, wait…
- ratten@lemmings.worldEnglish7 months
Restricting your diet and skipping meals is the best way to lose weight.
- Akrenion@slrpnk.netEnglish7 months
You can also overdo that. Stay healthy and don’t stress your body too much. Slow and steady wins the race.
- 7 months
Higher grocery prices are great motivating factor to skip meals.
- Integrate777@discuss.onlineEnglish7 months
Let me guess. They don’t use a laptop, but brag about it endlessly on tiktok with a holier-than-thou attitude? It’s just content farming then.
- athatet@lemmy.zipEnglish7 months
Have you seen people on TikTok bragging about this or are you just coming up with hypotheticals for funsies?
- Integrate777@discuss.onlineEnglish7 months
There were trends to switch to dumbphones last year, retro media like vinyl, they always came with a wave of content. Pretty sure video essays about someone using a dumbphone while carrying a camera around town are just doing it for content. This one wouldn’t be any different.
I did something insane: I actually read the article.
The students interviewed used pen and paper because they lack the tempting distractions a laptop/tablet/phone has. One states they feel they “use their brain more” when using a pen and paper. They also mention using a computer to write the final version of an essay for submission, but do most of the work on pen and paper first for the aforementioned reasons.
