This is why I hate this whole issue. For decades we use male and man and female and woman interchangeably. But now theres all sorts of people just waiting to pounce with “Well, actually…”. And then, if you do say male, its fine. But if you say female, you get “Oh, look. Another incel saying female!!”.
Seems like its not about communicating effectively, and more about just shitting all over things people say for worthless internet points. We all know what you meant. And it was a good point. But here we are, side stepping into this mess instead of staying focused on your point. Its all just so silly.
A lot of folk are going to start going on about how one refers to sexual phenotype and one is about social gender but that isn’t coming from the trans camp. I will help simplify it from a trans lens.
Male and Man are basically interchangeable from a trans perspective because people use them basically the same way - as a social Category. Calling a trans woman “male” is doing the exact same job as calling her a “man”. These are not strictly scientific terms.
Male and Female are what are on legal documentation like licences or medical documents and you can get those changed and it’s important to have that flexibility because a trans man rocking a full beard and having an F sex marker on his passport can get him routinely flagged by police or security with the concern his documentation is fake or erroneous and potentially cause him to be treated like a criminal and his documents tested because he doesn’t look female.
Where the difference culturally matters is people sometimes do not like male or female in usage because it sounds depersonalizing. Like you are putting out an All Points Bulletin or talking about a prisoner or animal population or using medical sounding language to refer to them.
I mean, I know the difference between sex and gender in the English language but didn’t know this also relates to male and man (if this is what it is about as the downvotes suggest)
Genuinely, I don’t know the difference between man/male. I do, however, know that assuming anything regarding gender identity will be incorrect. Shit changes every few weeks. Ive been working a lot of overtime, haven’t had the chance to stay up to date on it all.
This is why I hate this whole issue. For decades we use male and man and female and woman interchangeably. But now theres all sorts of people just waiting to pounce with “Well, actually…”. And then, if you do say male, its fine. But if you say female, you get “Oh, look. Another incel saying female!!”.
Seems like its not about communicating effectively, and more about just shitting all over things people say for worthless internet points. We all know what you meant. And it was a good point. But here we are, side stepping into this mess instead of staying focused on your point. Its all just so silly.
lol I have you tagged as “gets it” and you keep living up to that.
… there is a difference between man and male?
A lot of folk are going to start going on about how one refers to sexual phenotype and one is about social gender but that isn’t coming from the trans camp. I will help simplify it from a trans lens.
Male and Man are basically interchangeable from a trans perspective because people use them basically the same way - as a social Category. Calling a trans woman “male” is doing the exact same job as calling her a “man”. These are not strictly scientific terms.
Male and Female are what are on legal documentation like licences or medical documents and you can get those changed and it’s important to have that flexibility because a trans man rocking a full beard and having an F sex marker on his passport can get him routinely flagged by police or security with the concern his documentation is fake or erroneous and potentially cause him to be treated like a criminal and his documents tested because he doesn’t look female.
Where the difference culturally matters is people sometimes do not like male or female in usage because it sounds depersonalizing. Like you are putting out an All Points Bulletin or talking about a prisoner or animal population or using medical sounding language to refer to them.
Oh, you sweet summer child.
I mean, I know the difference between sex and gender in the English language but didn’t know this also relates to male and man (if this is what it is about as the downvotes suggest)
God forbid someone who doesn’t natively speak English doesn’t know the nuance between these words that are often not used “properly”
Genuinely, I don’t know the difference between man/male. I do, however, know that assuming anything regarding gender identity will be incorrect. Shit changes every few weeks. Ive been working a lot of overtime, haven’t had the chance to stay up to date on it all.