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4 monthsAs a Canadian, I won’t be travelling to the Republic of Gilead anytime soon. That country is becoming worse by the minute.
And since Americans think I’m Latino (I’m not), I don’t want to be shipped to El Salvador.
shipped to El Salvador.
I’m white as hell, but with the comments I make on the orange clown I’ll be shot into orbit in nothing more than a speedo (only because nudity is for the us a no ! no !! no !!! no !!! no !!! no way)
- 4 months
I’m thinking of visiting Montreal for beer. Crossing North from Vermont… y’all gonna kick my ass before I can spend that glorious USD $$ ?
- Seleni@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
As a fellow American, we really don’t need any help looking bad at the moment, so you can stop now.
Uhhhh, it’s more than their social media.
The new proposal would make it “mandatory” for ESTA applicants to provide US authorities with access to five years of their social media activity on platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and X.
Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.
The proposal was published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, meaning that it will be open for public comment for 60 days, at which point it will become law unless challenged in court.
- rehydrate5503@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Checks SimpleLogin account… 230 email aliases to date… gg, I might need a few more pages to note all of those.
Plus, how tf are they going to know if you’re telling them about everything? This will just make people not visit.
- rehydrate5503@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
For real, there really is no way for them to know for sure.
Also, I just remembered Apple has throwaway emails built in now, nobody will think to list those. So do you just go to jail straight away if you miss listing one of those, because you lied on a federal form?
So do you just go to jail straight away if you miss listing one of those, because you lied on a federal form?
Unfortunately, that probably depends on what color you are. They have taken a few whities, but that was probably just for show.
Our country isn’t really safe to visit right now, please come back if/when we’re better. Most Americans are sorry about this.
- rehydrate5503@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Really hope for a positive outcome. I would love to go visit my happy place on the Oregon coast again some day!
Nah I don’t believe so, the vast majority of the people doesn’t really care about privacy at all and they will gladly provide all the “required” information just to enter in the country. I guess they already know a lot of information about you (google account, biometric data in phones, GPS location, frecuent used apps…) and they just want you to provide even more information and tag you as an danger if you don’t answer exactly what they know about you.
- TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
230 email aliases to date
That looks suspicious and a lot of work, let’s just send you to and ICE detention facility until we decide what to do with you.
- rehydrate5503@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Can’t argue with that logic. I’ll report to my nearest border crossing if/when this passes to make things easier for everyone.
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
The EU is already using that. Pick some other Reich that is still free.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish4 months
What if you’re not a 15-year-old girl and therefore don’t have TikTok and Instagram are they going to arrest you? What a truly stupid country.
- 4 months
I was wondering why this ‘five years’ thing popped up now, because I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of it long ago.
The US was known for ages to be very shady at the borders, like circa fifteen years ago when they detained a security researcher who was travelling to a conference to tell about yet another of NSA’s shenanigans: they held him for hours, searched through his devices, and in the end denied entry.
- TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
I think that’s objectively worse than North Korea, they only check what you have with you as far as I’m aware
- vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish4 months
This is a shame honestly. I’ve just remembered about Lucas’ narrative art museum.
- affenlehrer@feddit.orgEnglish4 months
Been there twice, it was interesting and already shocking in 2008.
You US Americans should visit Europe or live there for a while. Then you can decide to come back or stay but you’ll have at least a reference point in your brain that things can be different and maybe that the US isn’t the greatest country in the world in all fields.
My favourite description: “US is 50 third world countries in a trench coat”.
- massacre@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
I dunno, and this sanity check is coming from someone who’s visited over a dozen times and loves it there… EU is not all fun and games, they are going to enforce chat control, apparently bowing to pressure on GDPR, has enforced facial recognition to enter, and right wing parties are growing in multiple countries including the big economic houses: Germany, France, UK. We’re all over here looking at you folks to show us the way and if you blink in your resolve, you’re going to end up where we are.
On a positive note, Drumpf’s policies are hitting a wall of awareness, resistance and resolve. Our recent elections are giving some hope. His pedophile protecting tight grip is loosening it’s hold as his desperately unpopular and catastrophic policies are forcing “masks off” upping of their rhetoric and abusive policies. This shows their real racist nazi agenda to everyone and it’s only dropping their approval. We’re worried they will cook the books next November, but the hope is we can reign in the insanity and undo the damage in the coming decade. It’s going to take that long and we will need to start with our dear friends in Canada).
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
The EU is now talking about doing what the US was already doing more than a decade ago when Snowden Revelations came out.
And don’t get me started on things like the relative ratios of “death by police” and percentage of people in prision (to mention just the things related to the use of force in policing) between America and Europe.
The EU is at least a decade behind the US in creeping autoritarianism and a lot of that shit has been imported from the US (including the new style far right, which amongst other things was set-up with money from American billionaires which Steve Bannon brought to Europe years ago very openly to “create far right parties” and is ideologically fed by American money using social media which for example paid Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to fuel Brexit).
In this turn of the Wheel of History, the equivalent of Nazism is spreading out from America.
- massacre@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
I agree with you. I’m not saying the EU isn’t doing better on substantially every level like education, social services, policing, well being, worker rights, etc. I’m saying the EU is at risk and it’s it goes beyond just the US and global tech corpratism to authoritarian & oligaritarian influence of (soft and hard) compaigns to shift the EU far right. I am saying I hope the EU can hold on to what they have and push back further!
On a side note, the Nazi’s borrowed a lot of their eugenics from the US and our deeply ingrained racism, so I’m not 100% sure this is new
- massacre@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
I’ll continue to equate the right wing with far right extremism until they give me evidence to conclude otherwise. You can call that a code for “out of power” if that’s your way of thinking, but it’s not mine and I certainly didn’t use it that way. I believe it’s the reality of the ratcheting overton window for 50 years.
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
I would agree that far right extremism qualifies as right wing. Trouble is, in Germany the AfD has identical positions as CDU/CSU as of decade or two ago, and both would be considered to be left wing in the US political context. A very left party like BSW was attempted to be smeared to be right wing.
Such labels assigned by the mainstream media have become meaningless, so I would encourage you to look at party programs and their voting patterns in parliaments to gauge where they really stand. I will avoid mentioning the general regression to pre-party times to avoid further confusion.
- massacre@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
OK, I’m going to challenge the statement that AfD would be considered left in the US. I’m from the US and I’ve seen their politics and they would defnitely be considered far right in the US sense (or our current “right” which is MAGA in power). I appreciate your point about media labels, though, so everyone should apply critical thinking to those labels for sure.
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
Personally I’ve been boycotting travel to the US or even just with a transfer in the US since the PATRIOT act.
Already over a decade ago I very purposefully chose Canada (highly recommended, by the way) for a month vacationing in North America rather than the US.
The writting has been on the wall for this shit ever since they allowed the TSA to start confiscating traveller’s mobile phones and computers way back in Bush’s day - the main difference with the current administration compared to the previous ones is that they’re open about what they’re looking for.
and maybe that the US isn’t the greatest country in the world in all fields.
I think that’s why they want our “high value data fields”… ☺️
- affenlehrer@feddit.orgEnglish4 months
No, I guess Canada and possibly many other countries are similar but I didn’t experience them yet.
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
The EU is fast-tracking the Fourth Reich, so visit it while there’s still time.
- Archangel1313@lemmy.caEnglish4 months
Oh, man. Anyone else remember how Republicans used to threaten to exercise their 2A rights in response to filling out a basic census report?
Yeah. I miss the days when those folks were considered the standard for “Conservative values”. They were practically antifa back then.
- 4 months
Turns out the guns were never about defending themselves against an authoritarian government.
- tty5@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Nothing makes them talk about gun control faster than minorities arming.
- vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish4 months
Current contents of the shell don’t say much about past contents of it.
If the Dems aren’t running on abolishing ICE and completely dismantling the police state, now, they’re setting up to throw the 2028 election.
- h54@programming.devEnglish4 months
I hate to say it but they likely won’t. Establishment democrats are complicit.
- you_are_dust@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Doubtful. The Democrats we have run on the platform of keep everything exactly the same. No changes, we’re all good here. No notes.
- 4 months
Which strangely enough sounds exactly like what a conservative stance actually is. The “conservatives” are the extremists now and them dems are spineless snails.*
- also known as snails.
- 4 months
I don’t know what I was expecting but it wasn’t that. Kinda disappointed it wasn’t a Rick Roll.
- 4 months
literally, I let my VISA expire and it was hard because I live on the frontier so I’ll miss out on a lot of things but it is not worth it
last time I needed to cross the border I was detained for an extra hour (not counting the queue) just because I didn’t cross during the pandemic
fuck the US, fuck fascism
- berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.brEnglish4 months
I still remember a trip I took with my parents to Vancouver and Seattle. We are from Brazil.
The difference was night and day, especially the infrastructure, landscape, and the appearance of the people who worked there. Seattle felt much more somber and gray.
The only ones who seemed overtly happy were the waitresses, but since these jobs in the U.S. rely heavily on tips, it felt more like forced role-play to get extra money compared to the more down-to-earth Canadian customer service.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish4 months
So does the US just want to totally kill its tourist industry because that seems to be the objective.
- GobberingGoblin@reddthat.comEnglish4 months
Unfortunatel I feel like most people will complain about this and visit anyway. I’d be very happy to be wrong about this though.
- tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish4 months
Only ignorant people. I had dreams of visiting and maybe doing a road trip, but under Trump I’m definitely not going there voluntarily. Even if my employer wants me to go there on business I’m refusing. I’d rather find another job than cross the US border.
- ours@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
I’ve recently had a workshop with teams coming from different parts of Europe and North America.
The USA was an option as a location. Needless to say, I wasn’t hot about it, and probably many others as well, so Eastern Europe was chosen instead.
I really wanted to cycle across America. The states are so close and different compared to Australia. I doubt I’ll get the chance now.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish4 months
Well I used to go to Vegas quite often for conferences and now that’s stopped because apparently no one else wants to go either. I think they are having it in Leeds this year, which is quite the downgrade let me tell you.
Better food though.
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
Well, that’s definitelly going to solve the fall in Tourism problem in the US /s
Always wanted to see a modern country becoming dystopian though. Could be a big hit on tripadvisor. Once a beacon for freedom in the western world, the US decided it really liked how North Korea is treating its people and decided to do the same using its love affair with big tech psychos like Sam Altman and Elon Musk.
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
“Enjoy the once in century experience of empire collapse from the first row, go sightseeing to ‘once grand but now little more than decrepit and fast fading façades’ and return home with a warm ‘at least it’s not us’ feeling (return trip might be from El Salvador) unlike the poor sods who live in the place”
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
Russians are visiting China visa free and vacation in North Korea no problem. So, this is worse.
- Zomg@piefed.worldEnglish4 months
So what happens when you truthfully state “I don’t use social media”? Or use any that are mainstream?
Seems like a dumb time to me.
Depends on the officer you’re dealing with. There’s multiple stories, from before Trump ever took office, of people being detained for up to a day for saying this or refusing to grant access to their phone. I can only imagine it’s worse now.
- eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
You have to prove that you don’t have accounts with the usual suspects. So, to prove a negative. And that obviously makes you suspicious. Oh, and Lemmy would be considered to be social media.
Trying to isolate the country from what used to be our allies, then take away all our rights and turn this degrading shithole into North Korea where the citizens are law bound to kiss their “leaders” ass and pretend it doesn’t fucking stink.
- Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
Whether or not the states are being puppeted by Russia holding cards in the form of blackmail, this is exactly the kind of thing they would do to weaken the states
it’s so tiring to watch people just not realize the natural progression to all of this, like how can you not see it’s gonna be YOU next in a few years when you post on facebook about how you’re disappointed about supreme leader trump’s tax policy and the secret police show up at your door
Americans are incapable of thinking that far ahead. They will literally scoff at any foresight, like the future is unknowable.
- Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zipEnglish4 months
My neighbors heads are firmly wedged all the way up their asses. These old fools act like everything is just fine because the boots aren’t on their necks yet.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish4 months
they are kept complacent, because they still have a job that pays moderate or well off where they live off of, plus the propaganda of the media keeping them mostly ignorant.
Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.
That’s an entry ban for many people here. I do not know in which forums I posted some questions back in Dec 2020. I totally do not know the numbers of those prepaid sims I used while traveling 2016 till 2019. I used their mobile data and they have been in the trash for a decade. I also do not not every trash mail, mail redirect and mail service I have used since 2015. That must be hundreds of adresses.
- kamen@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
It’s amazing how much the US doesn’t want you to go there, even if it’s just to visit.
Despite all the mediocrity, there are some things to see there, but if that’s the authorities’ attitude (and this here is not the first example of it), yeah, I think I’ll skip.
- IronBird@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
they really don’t seem to realize there’s an entire world of places out there to see…
People, PLEASE stop coming to America. The government doesn’t want you here. Also, it’s not safe at all.
If the earning reports of hotel REITs are anything to go by that is exactly what’s happening.
Make Murica Great Again or something…
- imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 months
People born in the 90s:
At age 10: I want to move to USA to live there!
At age 30: Traveling to USA seems to be too dangerous. I’ll pass.
Haha this was me, except even around age 20, when I moved to the UK, I was thinking I might want to move to the USA later in life. But the more I’ve learned about the country since, the less I’d want to live there. The gun mania, the religion mania, the actual political options being all squeezed into the centre-to-far-right spectrum all sound nightmarish. (Tbh we’re kinda having that last issue in the UK too, but to a less extreme degree.)
- Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish4 months
Don’t forget no minimum paid leave, no parental leave, crazy healthcare.
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish4 months
That’s me. Wanted to move there because software engineer. Now I’m 30 and fuck no. Major changes would need to happen and even then I’m not sure I’d feel safe. It’s not the damn shootings that bother me even, it’s that so many people support Trump and ICE. Those people will still be around even when Trump is gone. Meaning at any time the US could elect a less incompetent version of Trump.
