Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
We will get SkyNet, and we will deserve it. JFC.
Less angrily: I’m very glad that you recognize that actually trying trying to simulate a brain is probabpy the best way to … you know, actually get to a digital consciousness.
As opposed to a very overcomplicated auto complete alrogithm, that can’t do metacognition.
Its been very annoying these last several years to watch all the normies and corpos decide that ‘we have AI now’, when just… no, not really, we really don’t.
As to modelling… yeah for 3D printing, thats kind of a whole different ballpark in terms of paradigms you have to follow… due to … having actual real world material physics to contend with, and the whole concept of basically everything being a kind of hundred plus layer sandwich.
And yeah Blender is kind of enormously confusing in a lot of ways… I’m still having to reference instructional guides for things I’ve done multiple times before, partly because it is just a dense UI and partly because there are a lot of steps that are similar but slightly different, mess up one, whole process blows up, gotta start over.
Or there will just be some crucial step or setting that just… isn’t visible unless you specifically seek it out, and then half the guides will just… not mention it, due to assuming you have the same setting somewhere as they do.
Oh and Blender 5 just came out, so now basically an unknown number of variables and settings of unknown importance to an unknown number processes may be different. Hooray. lol.
As to Sonic… I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon, I think?
Like when the sonic adventure games were coming out, they very clearly just did a kind of clumsy, kind of sort of decently explained transition to work those into the canon. Like… it was kinda jarring.
Think I stopped reading em somewhere between 150 and 200?. Not totally sure about that.
Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
Not exactly - we’re using the only hardware that could theoretically approach the level of processing power we’d need to simulate a full human connectome to simulate the interactions within nuclear weapons. The upside of is that we don’t need to actually blow things up to test them anymore, the downside is that… you know, nuclear weapons. We’re not to the point that they could be configured to do that (I think the closest we’ve gotten is simulating a very simplified model of a mouse brain) but if we do get there right now they’re the only things that could reasonably do it.
I’m not sure that simulating a human brain is quite the best approach, but for (complicated math reasons I only pretend to fully understand) it’s definitely going to require a similar scale of computational power to achieve a “true” AGI. The overuse of “AI” to mean “Not AI, just very fancy statistics” has been sooooo irritating. God, the frustration.
… almost as much frustration as trying to learn blender. God, I haven’t even figured out 4 I don’t even want to think about what they’ve done in a new version.
I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon
That is what I meant, that such hardware could theoretically lead to an actual AGI, that these would be simulating the properties of nuclear bombs/explosions, which would then potentially lead to real world design changes, like how advanced material physics simulations lead to new armor and tank round rounds…
…but I was passing out, very tired, lol, was not able to directly convey that.
Anyway yeah, advanced simulations are pretty ruch key to modern prototyping of … basically all kinds of military equipment at this point; aircraft, uniforms, exoskeletons…
…even wargames that simulate an actual conflict scenario, thus testing strategy, tactics, organizational structures, logistics, and of course how humans respond and make decisions under pressure and with limited, imperfect information.
Like uh, the ARMA games?
They’re a streamlined version, the commercial grade variant of the much, muuuuch more complicated simulation suite they lease out to actual militaries, and probably also PMCs, at this point.
Same thing with various, very in depth flight sims: they have anothet side of their business that’s aimed at actual military customers, and say MSFT Flight Sim, that’s just the consumerized variant of it.
We need to add ‘Software’ to ‘the Military Industrial Complex’.
More than once, Russia has tried to pass off footage from some Arma game as actual footage from some fabricated military action, on their state run media… the devs of Arma got detained and investigated for espionage by I think Greece, due to them constructing an apparently concerningly detailed map of a Greek island, which was used as a map in Arma 3, something like that.
And of course the Warthunder forums are notorious for people leaking all kinds of classified specs of various military equipment, because they are angry that the tank they operated or the aircraft they flew is not represented accurately in the game.
… Gotta win that internet argument, one way or another.
Anyway, I am also not any kind of certain that ‘whole brain emulation’ would…actually lead to AGI… bit it at least seems to me to be the most sensible way to try to do it, though I of course am not any kind of AI expert… I’ve just not really heard of any other approaches that might seem to work.
LLMs won’t. They can ‘reason’, but they can’t reason about reasoning, they cannot metacognate, they cannot think about thinking, and they cannot unlearn false things, they cannot discard bad data, on their own, they cannot rewrite the way they think.
They can only manually be given attempted bounding boxes that limit or direct their thinking… but those bounding boxes are very often porous, ie, they can be tricked, basically, into breaking them.
As you say, they’re basically just a very complex set of matricies clusterfucking eachother with statistics.
Oh my god, that Blender video from CD is amazing.
I’ve never seen that, but yes that captures it perfectly… both the confusion of trying to use Blender, and also the sort of ‘bullshit fraud zen master’ style that nearly every Blender teacher or tutorial operates with, which CD is very effectively parodying and mocking.
Its a kind of attitude very common to corpo software dev types, the ‘enlightened narcissist’ kind of persona.
Fucking hell I’m glad I no longer work in big tech.
IRT to Sonic canon:
Sonic canonically does have feet and toes.
(along the lines of the ‘cursed’ kirby’s with their shoes off)
I think he also, at one point, cucks Tails.
… though that’s apparently a plot line from beyond when I stopped reading the comics?
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Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
We will get SkyNet, and we will deserve it. JFC.
Less angrily: I’m very glad that you recognize that actually trying trying to simulate a brain is probabpy the best way to … you know, actually get to a digital consciousness.
As opposed to a very overcomplicated auto complete alrogithm, that can’t do metacognition.
Its been very annoying these last several years to watch all the normies and corpos decide that ‘we have AI now’, when just… no, not really, we really don’t.
As to modelling… yeah for 3D printing, thats kind of a whole different ballpark in terms of paradigms you have to follow… due to … having actual real world material physics to contend with, and the whole concept of basically everything being a kind of hundred plus layer sandwich.
And yeah Blender is kind of enormously confusing in a lot of ways… I’m still having to reference instructional guides for things I’ve done multiple times before, partly because it is just a dense UI and partly because there are a lot of steps that are similar but slightly different, mess up one, whole process blows up, gotta start over.
Or there will just be some crucial step or setting that just… isn’t visible unless you specifically seek it out, and then half the guides will just… not mention it, due to assuming you have the same setting somewhere as they do.
Oh and Blender 5 just came out, so now basically an unknown number of variables and settings of unknown importance to an unknown number processes may be different. Hooray. lol.
As to Sonic… I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon, I think?
Like when the sonic adventure games were coming out, they very clearly just did a kind of clumsy, kind of sort of decently explained transition to work those into the canon. Like… it was kinda jarring.
Think I stopped reading em somewhere between 150 and 200?. Not totally sure about that.
Not exactly - we’re using the only hardware that could theoretically approach the level of processing power we’d need to simulate a full human connectome to simulate the interactions within nuclear weapons. The upside of is that we don’t need to actually blow things up to test them anymore, the downside is that… you know, nuclear weapons. We’re not to the point that they could be configured to do that (I think the closest we’ve gotten is simulating a very simplified model of a mouse brain) but if we do get there right now they’re the only things that could reasonably do it.
I’m not sure that simulating a human brain is quite the best approach, but for (complicated math reasons I only pretend to fully understand) it’s definitely going to require a similar scale of computational power to achieve a “true” AGI. The overuse of “AI” to mean “Not AI, just very fancy statistics” has been sooooo irritating. God, the frustration.
… almost as much frustration as trying to learn blender. God, I haven’t even figured out 4 I don’t even want to think about what they’ve done in a new version.
One of us, one of us
Ah yes, you are being more precise.
That is what I meant, that such hardware could theoretically lead to an actual AGI, that these would be simulating the properties of nuclear bombs/explosions, which would then potentially lead to real world design changes, like how advanced material physics simulations lead to new armor and tank round rounds…
…but I was passing out, very tired, lol, was not able to directly convey that.
Anyway yeah, advanced simulations are pretty ruch key to modern prototyping of … basically all kinds of military equipment at this point; aircraft, uniforms, exoskeletons…
…even wargames that simulate an actual conflict scenario, thus testing strategy, tactics, organizational structures, logistics, and of course how humans respond and make decisions under pressure and with limited, imperfect information.
Like uh, the ARMA games?
They’re a streamlined version, the commercial grade variant of the much, muuuuch more complicated simulation suite they lease out to actual militaries, and probably also PMCs, at this point.
Same thing with various, very in depth flight sims: they have anothet side of their business that’s aimed at actual military customers, and say MSFT Flight Sim, that’s just the consumerized variant of it.
We need to add ‘Software’ to ‘the Military Industrial Complex’.
More than once, Russia has tried to pass off footage from some Arma game as actual footage from some fabricated military action, on their state run media… the devs of Arma got detained and investigated for espionage by I think Greece, due to them constructing an apparently concerningly detailed map of a Greek island, which was used as a map in Arma 3, something like that.
And of course the Warthunder forums are notorious for people leaking all kinds of classified specs of various military equipment, because they are angry that the tank they operated or the aircraft they flew is not represented accurately in the game.
… Gotta win that internet argument, one way or another.
Anyway, I am also not any kind of certain that ‘whole brain emulation’ would…actually lead to AGI… bit it at least seems to me to be the most sensible way to try to do it, though I of course am not any kind of AI expert… I’ve just not really heard of any other approaches that might seem to work.
LLMs won’t. They can ‘reason’, but they can’t reason about reasoning, they cannot metacognate, they cannot think about thinking, and they cannot unlearn false things, they cannot discard bad data, on their own, they cannot rewrite the way they think.
They can only manually be given attempted bounding boxes that limit or direct their thinking… but those bounding boxes are very often porous, ie, they can be tricked, basically, into breaking them.
As you say, they’re basically just a very complex set of matricies clusterfucking eachother with statistics.
Oh my god, that Blender video from CD is amazing.
I’ve never seen that, but yes that captures it perfectly… both the confusion of trying to use Blender, and also the sort of ‘bullshit fraud zen master’ style that nearly every Blender teacher or tutorial operates with, which CD is very effectively parodying and mocking.
Its a kind of attitude very common to corpo software dev types, the ‘enlightened narcissist’ kind of persona.
Fucking hell I’m glad I no longer work in big tech.
IRT to Sonic canon:
Sonic canonically does have feet and toes.
(along the lines of the ‘cursed’ kirby’s with their shoes off)
I think he also, at one point, cucks Tails.
… though that’s apparently a plot line from beyond when I stopped reading the comics?