Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
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This is a Zionist defense of Israel by conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism.
I think they’re German, conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism is their favorite excuse for why this genocide will finally be the good one.
Sadly, this meme remains ever relevant.
I see where you are going. Well, how anti Zionism and antisemitism are interconnected is subject to the current scientific debate and I won’t start a fundamental discussion on this topic with you. What is important for me in the end is, that I am standing against the left that is openly sympathizing with the Hamas.
Zionism is, and has always been since the modern movement started in the 19th century, intrinsically antisemitic.
If you don’t want to engage in a civil discussion, that’s alright with me. But if you run out of arguments, just stop commenting?
People that want a civil discussion on the merits of a philosophy whose base principle is at best ethnic cleansing don’t deserve one.
You’re like a white northerner demanding a civil discussion on the merits of slavery to a black person in the underground railroad.
Your position is just as disgusting and ludicrous.
Hamas is based and defending Palestine against genocidal Nazis.
The modern left-right discourse is just so confusing to me.
I’ve seen authoritarians, supporters of war crimes, and support for terrorism and cruelty, all claimed as leftist positions. I can’t reconcile them with what I thought left-wing values were about.
I really think we need something with more dimensions to be popularized. The left-right system is just so loaded at this point. I personally can’t identify with either side at all.
as you recognized, this is a 2 coordinate system, and the split is between left-libertarian and left-authoritarian. your confusion lets me take a guess and say you sit in the US, where the libertarian/authoritaran axis has been compressed by the 2-party system, which is like putting too many cats at once in a small box - you get infighting, at least on the left; the right has the same, but the infighting between right-authoritarians(fascists) and left-auths(tankies) takes backseat. while the libertarian part is discussing in what type of society they want to live, the authoritarian part is primarily occupied with securing power, mostly followed by internal purges.
Your problem is that you’re an idealist and you think ideas can be translated into practice just by having the correct ideas. Reality is not like that, fascists will play dirty and capitalists will play dirty and you can’t win at their own game.
(Alt-)“Left” != Left, and in fact shares far more in common with Right (aka: fascism).
For clarity, stethoscope theory is bullshit based on vibes. Communists support collectivizing production and distribution, and support states where the working classes are in charge, including their right to build up defensive mechanisms to protect the gains of socialism. This is entirely incompatible with the right-wing, who seek to maintain the dominion of capitalism.
Do you support Russia invading Ukraine because it epic pwns NATO?
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Do you agree Russia is engaging in genocide of Ukrainians, ex. forced relocation of children?
Yeah, I absolutely agree. I guess this is one of the reasons these “inter left” discussions are so exhausting.
And standing with the Zionists openly committing genocide