• chigga@lemmy.world
      2 months

      this is the real thing, this is almost certainly unconstitutional.

      greedy corps going against law as usual.

      • themurphy@lemmy.ml
        2 months

        No, not really. It’s because they retracted the proposal before going to vote, because they knew it wouldnt pass after Germany publicly said they would vote against.

        Then they changed some stuff and send it again, which is now rejected as it seems.

        Now they need to wait, but they didnt before.

          • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
            2 months

            The Commission probably since they’re the only entity who can propose law

            • leagman1@feddit.org
              2 months

              How do I respond to this^^

              Yes, I think we’re all assuming the law came into parliament the regular way. I assumed the “they” are supposed lobbyists who are standing behind and outside the regular entity…

              Am I missing something or are you pulling a Nielsen on me? “Coffee?” “Yes, I know.”

              • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
                2 months

                Oh, sorry. Thought you actually didn’t knew, my bad!

  • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
    2 months

    Why do we have to keep fighting our own government for our rights? Why can’t our government just represent us?

    • 1984@lemmy.today
      2 months

      Thats actually insane in itself that it got that close. Next time they will succeed. :/

      People are so stupid to support this. They dont seem to understand that its never about protecting anyone and its always about building dystopia.

    • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2 months

      Even worse I think there was one more vote for the extension but they need 50% +1 to pass and there were 24 abstentions.

    • chigga@lemmy.world
      2 months

      i don’t understand, was EPP for or against the extension ? Cause my understanding was that they asked to have a second vote even if the first one already rejected the extension.

      • orosus@lemmy.world
        2 months

        I don’t understand the votes on that website, most people from EPP voted 👎 (against the extension) but that means they are against chat control? Or in favor? What european parties are opposing to the chat control, I want to know which parties we can trust on this matter.

        • chigga@lemmy.world
          2 months

          as another comment said, EPP was against this proposal due to it being not strict enough. They want full control of your chat (e2ee ones too). they were afraid that this would set a precedent for limits for chat control and voted againts

      • Tenderizer@aussie.zoneEnglish
        2 months

        That sounds kinda reasonable then. If the company has access to the chat logs in plain text, they should probably be scanning it for CSAM. Though the use of AI to identify it is concerning, given the low accuracy. And I guess there’s also the risk of communications with someone’s doctor being flagged.

        On reflection it’s still a dumb law.

    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2 months

      as regards the extension of its period of application

      does it mean that this vote was only about the extension of the regulation that allowed voluntary participation in scanning for chat providers?

      honestly, that’s the lesser of the worries, we know facebook and fo are scanning all messages going through them no matter what

    • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2 months

      it’s indicative of the system we’re in. our oligarchs have enough money to pay people to push for this in perpetuity while the rest of us are forced to give up some degree of our lives to fight it off on a field of battles that’s tilted towards money; they will win eventually unless the system itself is changed.

    • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
      2 months

      This is indeed the plan. Only 1 time is enough to get this through the system. But it requires 500 times saying no first.

          • guy@piefed.socialEnglish
            2 months

            Well based on the seats in the parliament, most eu voters are rightwing to some degree. So it’s Tatcher going undercover IRA to bomb herself?

  • iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
    2 months

    Where can I see who voted for and against? I want to know if I need to change who I vote for next EU election.

      • bampop@lemmy.world
        2 months

        Green = “opposing”, red = “supporting”… “chat control extension”. I guess the greens are against the chat control proposal, though that’s hardly clear, and there seem to be more reds than greens so that suggests the chat control proposal was accepted, or is there some other layer to this? Also the stance of a state bears no relation to that of its representatives. Very confusing

          • bampop@lemmy.world
            2 months

            I’m talking about a web page linked to by MoffKalast, see comments above

            • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
              2 months

              Well the proposal is to extend the temporary exemption that expires on April 4.
              As it is now under this exemption THEY ARE ALREADY doing their dystopian scanning.
              Since there is no legal framework to do this they and it’s against the current laws they use this exemption until they can force the final law that legalizes it.

        • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
          2 months

          The “Chat Control” proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos.

          it’s explained right there above the vote summary

          • bampop@lemmy.world
            2 months

            It’s not the topic of the vote I’m trying to clarify but rather trying to make sense of that web page showing who is voting for what, and how, if at all that is connected to the European Parliament vote. That website suggests overwhelming support for the proposal at both state and representative level, I’m not sure what to make of that.

            • MoffKalast@lemmy.world
              2 months

              Yeah it seems to be backwards, they voted for an “Extension of the temporary derogation”, which I assume means if do you want to take more time to discuss this problem vote yes, or vote no to enact the newly proposed law now. Which is why the greens are paradoxically for the proposal and the EPP is against. Another layer of shenanigans to confuse people I guess.

              https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

              • bampop@lemmy.world
                2 months

                It could be, although it also seems that “opposing” representatives are usually of the left/green persuasion and the right wing is mostly “supporting”, which is not what I’d expect to see in that case. All I can say for sure is that it’s very confusing.

                EDIT: thanks for that link 😁

    • chigga@lemmy.world
      2 months

      I think that Patrick posted it. basically the ones against where the conservatives, both left and right where against (even if there were some people inside those parities who voted to continue the scanning)

      EDIT: apparently EPP voted against not because they want to support privacy but because the proposal was not enough invasive. they were afraid that it would have stopped their Chat control 2.0 proposal.

  • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2 months

    Why can’t they vote on a ban to do any chat control bills? Stop this nonsense from happening again.

  • a4ng3l@lemmy.world
    2 months

    Let’s celebrate this victory… even though it’s concerning that it is a recurring topic :-/

  • iByteABit@lemmy.ml
    2 months

    Good, but pretty meaningless overall while they still allow lobbying to take place.

    They pretend to care that lobbying means corruption from corporate interests, but doing anything meaningful to stop lobbying entirely and punish anyone still doing it would be “authoritarian communism” now, wouldn’t it?

  • TommySoda@lemmy.world
    2 months

    They’ll just change a few things and try again. I feel like we’ve been hearing about chat control on and off for about 5 years now and I can’t imagine it’ll go away soon.

    • lb_o@lemmy.world
      2 months

      Dude, we’re protesting now until all those fuckers who voted in favor of chat control are voted out of parliament. We have names!

  • HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip
    2 months

    Saw this then scrolled more to see the EU going after porn sites for age verification. 😞

    • lb_o@lemmy.world
      2 months

      It is concerning news, because we narrowly dodged it this time by one vote.

  • Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works
    2 months

    I imagine they’re thinking, “Well we will see what the new vote next month has to say about that!”