I understand that some of the criticism comes from conservatives but the sentiment seems to extend far beyond thst. Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?
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- 3 hours
people think it’s easy money and get jealous
and people like that never realize just how much work actually goes into it (speaking from personal experience here)
- 2 hours
Sex workers face mortality rates from overdose that dwarf the general population. We’re talking about an external-cause mortality risk roughly 8-12 times higher for these marginalized groups. The direct link is undeniable: studies show a significant history of substance dependence (100% in one cohort) with opioids involved in ~90% of those fatal events. It’s crucial to note these are likely “conservative estimates” because many records don’t capture sex work status.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12405828/
The driving factor isn’t the work itself, but the trauma surrounding it. You see a high burden of PTSD, anxiety, and depression that predates or coincides with substance use. For many, the drug use, especially “polysubstance” mixing of opioids and benzos, is a form of self-medication to numb the violence and stigma
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13559
The overdose is often a direct consequence of criminalization and policing. Research shows that when police target sex workers or create barriers to safe consumption sites, the odds of a fatal overdose more than double (AOR 2.15)
5 hoursThey don’t. Generally, nobody cares. The few that do are just so damn loud you’d think there was a lot of them.
- 3 hours
There are a lot ore conservatives in the world than you would believe if you live in a big city and/or a developed western nation.
- 7 hours
So you are saying some people want to do porn, and others don’t. Presumably because some like it and some don’t. They all do it for money though, none of them do it for free.
What’s the basis of knowing if someone does it because they like it then? Because they say so?
I only have a problem with sex work if people feel like they have to do it to make ends meet, or if they are being coerced into it. The latter being a big problem in the porn industry.
- 4 hours
All work is done through coercition Some coercition are worst than other, but the all the worst one are not only in sex works. Fighting for emancipation is done by the workers themselves, not aqainst them
- 11 hours
I feel like I have to do my job to make ends meet - how is that different from sex work? Coercion is a different story
- 8 hours
Fact is, we humans make quite surplus enough for everyone to make ends meet. Your job is a form of coercion, to make others money. That health care in the U.S. is tied to one’s job is evidence of that. That housing is dependent on mortgages being paid consistently or one risks homelessness is more evidence still. Taxes are coercion by governments to give credence to fiat currency, not because they need it to pay for goods and services… they could print money to pay for goods if that weren’t true. Point is jobs are coercion, and sex workers are under the same pressures I described above, enough that I doubt any sex worker is in it just for their love of the game.
- 3 hours
Why do so many people in other jobs die from a drug overdose? Because the world sucks
- 2 hours
Sex workers face mortality rates from overdose that dwarf the general population. We’re talking about an external-cause mortality risk roughly 8-12 times higher for these marginalized groups. The direct link is undeniable: studies show a significant history of substance dependence (100% in one cohort) with opioids involved in ~90% of those fatal events. It’s crucial to note these are likely “conservative estimates” because many records don’t capture sex work status.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12405828/
The driving factor isn’t the work itself, but the trauma surrounding it. You see a high burden of PTSD, anxiety, and depression that predates or coincides with substance use. For many, the drug use, especially “polysubstance” mixing of opioids and benzos, is a form of self-medication to numb the violence and stigma
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13559
The overdose is often a direct consequence of criminalization and policing. Research shows that when police target sex workers or create barriers to safe consumption sites, the odds of a fatal overdose more than double (AOR 2.15)
- 2 hours
I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t consider these things as caused by the job, rather symptomatic of how the job is treated in society (and how poorly regulated human trafficking for sex work is)
I respect sex workers but I really don’t want to be advertised to while I’m jerking off, or ever really. Like if i’m in the market for buying nudes I’ll come to you. I have nothing against anyone who buys or sells pics on onlyfans.
- 8 hours
how do find these people if they can’t market themselves? (honest question)
- 15 hours
Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?
Replace ‘porn star’ with ‘slave’ and you’ll understand. There might be a section of the population that would like to be a slave, but we have, as a society, decided that people shouldn’t be bought and sold like furniture.
Of course, the hatred should be aimed at the economic and social systems that allow people to buy others’ dignity, not at the victims of that system.
- 8 hours
Are you comparing OnlyFans to literal slavery? You do know that they get paid, right?
Slaves could get paid and buy their freedom in many historical societies.
- 7 hours
I think the comparison is about want and need. They do it because they feel forced into it, by some means or another.
- Semester3383@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
Having spoken with a few women that have done things adjacent to pornography, their regrets are mostly in regards to the way they were treated by people that were not in the industry. The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself, although not necessarily all of the customers.
What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living. The company I work for buys my time, the product of my labor–which they sell for many times what I’m paid–and even my dignity by forcing me to wear a uniform of their choice. I absolutely do not like the customers that ultimately purchase the products of my labor, but I have little choice if I want to have a place to live, and food to eat.
The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself
Like I said, I’m sure there are people who enjoy this, but the system is still exploitative and harmful.
What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living …
Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.
- eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish2 hours
Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.
do you believe that all sex work is dangerous or difficult?
do you believe that easy & safe but compulsory work as a means to get obtain food and shelter is an ideal world?
- 2 hours
I think there are no worst offenders here, all labor is valid as in all labor is exploitative in a capitalist system
Dignity is very relative here, I think you can be a sex worker and keep your dignity
- 7 hours
There are significant differences to being forced to sell your mind, competence and time; vs being forced to auction off the another’s use of your own genitals.
- 6 hours
Please explain what those differences are without using any magical thinking that places sex into a sacred sphere of human activity that is holy and sacrosanct?
Or don’t. My point is you can tell how serious a person is when they start talking about the morality of sex by replacing every mention of sex in their point with “boxing”. It’s still a highly physical one-on-one activity that’s a crime of both participants haven’t consented, so if the exact same argument doesn’t make sense when made about boxing then they are thinking magically about sex and not materialistically.
- 20 hours
Because most cultures have been heavily influenced by cultures descended from the bronze age sheep fuckers who came up with the idea of virginity as a way of ensuring paternity and maximizing the price they could charge for selling their preteen daughters to old men.
- 22 hours
I think a lot of hate comes from:
- People who are jealous of people with natural looks
- People are jealous of people who have more motivation than them to exercise and keep their bodies healthy
- Men who exercise and work on their bodies but can’t make any money from it
- 2 hours
Men who exercise and work on their bodies but can’t make any money from it
I mean they can, there are many male OF models and some don’t even work out, you only need to find your place in the market (usually with a kink)
- eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish2 hours
i wish i had this realization when i was younger. lol
back then, i was deeply confused when i learned that people were getting off to a surreptitiously recorded hookup that featured me because i assumed no fancied me; yet there was in in my full glory laughing at the wailing coming from the man i’m pleasuring and the video had over 100k likes/upvotes.
it wouldn’t have made me a millionaire; but it would have gotten me a hell of a lot closer than i will ever be. lol
and at least i got a husband out of the whole affair; i like silver linings. lol
- 2 hours
damn that sounds hot no wonder it got many likes lol
you would be surprised, a friend of mine got popular with their low quality gay orgy videos and now lives on Canada and its part of a polycule
- 3 hours
yep, lots of jealousy
and they never realize just how much work is actually involved
- 2 hours
for real this topic always comes along when my bf jokes about opening an OF together
i bluntly respond with “yeah we just need to market ourselves on elon’s twitter for months with teasers and maybe paying for that blue mark while networking with other creators”
- 1 day
This is probably a hot take, but it’s because society has this weird aversion to sex even though it’s necessary for us to continue existing. This aversion extends to sex work in general and is also the reason why the field has so many problems.
- 1 day
I’m no prude, but I also don’t think a lot of porn actors really want to be doing what they are doing. There is a lot of manipulation, drugging, exploitation, and straight up criminal activity that a large porn industry begets. But if you regulate it, if you protect sex workers, if you disallow access for younger people (I’m not for age verification, I’m saying parent/guardian intervention), if you allow the actors to have agency and full authority over their own work, then cool. I think there needs to be a lot more study and subsequent awareness what early access to pornography does to a young mind. I truly believe that porn is responsible for the increase in vociferous misogyny we are seeing with young men, enabled by the manosphere, which is just chock-full of sex predators and straight up pedophiles. To start to even have these discussions though, the taboo around sex needs to be widely removed.
- 8 hours
There is a lot of manipulation, drugging, exploitation, and straight up criminal activity that a large porn industry begets.
I’d be curious to see the stats, but I’d be shocked if this hasn’t gotten much better since like the 70s-90s. For one, OF does allow for freelance work. Also, I’ve seen more and more professional porn outfits that are created/run by women.
- 5 hours
Being ran by women doesn’t mean shit. Women can be abusers too, and even can take advantage of that sentiment to assist going under the radar. Look at one of the worst examples, Ghislaine Maxwell.
- HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish1 day
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