Europe is rolling out measures to keep data local and reduce reliance on foreign tech.
  • w3dd1e@lemmy.zipEnglish
    36 minutes

    As an American, I also don’t trust the US firms with my data.

  • chunes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5 hours

    Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.

    • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1 hour

      It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

    • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zipEnglish
      32 minutes

      Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.

      At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.

    • mcv@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4 hours

      For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.

      Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.

    • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      5 hours

      I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.

      China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!

      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1 hour

        Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”

        • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          1 hour

          I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.

          “Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”

  • Wilco@lemmy.zipEnglish
    5 hours

    I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.

  • dasrael@lemmy.zipEnglish
    5 hours

    Seems like 2 out of 10 Europeans need to get their head checked.

  • quack@lemmy.zipEnglish
    8 hours

    If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.

  • magnue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 hours

    I’m currently in the process of degoogling. There’s a lot to consider.

    • Bongles@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4 hours

      It can be tough to do, I finally just got off Google photos backing up my pictures and videos maybe 2 weeks ago.

      I already had them also being sent to my PC with resilio sync, but since I moved to Linux I didn’t have backblaze anymore (B2 is too expensive for me and their “unlimited” cloud backup is mac and windows only) and didn’t know of any affordable alternatives so I wasn’t willing to drop my only cloud backup even if it’s Google.

      Eventually I canceled the annual storage plan and said “I’ll figure it out by then”, didn’t figure it out, found jottacloud after that and am now using that.

  • zebidiah@lemmy.caEnglish
    8 hours

    I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…

    If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot

  • Brummbaer@pawb.socialEnglish
    12 hours

    The Chinese can do less harm with my data than the US and it’s allies.

      • Brummbaer@pawb.socialEnglish
        10 hours

        Of course.

        Personally I have given up on that. I try to either use false information when they don’t need the real data or throwaway" emails and SEPA and one time credit card numbers for banking stuff.

        I don’t trust any company with my data ever, so I’m constantly paranoid in a way.

      • zebidiah@lemmy.caEnglish
        8 hours

        Okay but what’s the risk if the cccp will find out I can’t write a fucking yaml for the life of me?

        • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          7 hours

          They can hold it against you if they take over whatever country you are from.

          Your job chip implant will make you a delivery boy instead of a programmer.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          8 hours

          Let me put things this way: after my last AliExpress purchase I was targetted for the first time in my life by a PayPal fishing phone call from India (starting with a pre-recorded message in my native language but then switching to some guy speaking English with an Indian accent).

          Somebody I know has been targetted twice by “you package is awaiting at customs” phishing messages after making purchases at AliExpress.

          Maybe coincidence, maybe AliExpress is having their trade payment processing ops outsourced to somebody that sells it to people that will use it to fraudulently pass themselves as a natural entity involved in the purchase process (like PayPal or the destination country’s Customs) or maybe AliExpress themselves sell that data. Judging by the amount of outright fraudulent sales claims there (the capacity of any power storage devices is at times hilarious, as is the output wattage of solar panels and storage capacity of external SSDs), my bet is the latter, though if it’s not that totally not giving a shit about the risk of the second possibility is almost a certainty.

          That kind of “why should I care” bullshit you’re peddling is exactly the same kind of bullshit that was peddled a decade and a half ago about having one’s e-mail with Google, and look at were we are now.

          Unless you’re stupidly isolated from it (not even giving them your e-mail), you’re going to leak stuff that can be used against you, even if only by criminals (and the authorities in China couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their people swindling or stealing from laowai).

          Like in the US, it’s going to be “Free Enterprise” abusing data about even if the local authorities don’t really care about you.

          • Rooster326@programming.devEnglish
            5 hours

            The real question is why did you give your phone number to AlliExpress?

            Secondly, why answer an unknown number?

            • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              5 hours

              It’s used by the delivery people to contact me if they can’t find the delivery place or I’m not there. Also some of the local delivery companies will, for more expensive things, send the recipient an SMS with a code that you then give to the delivery person so that they know for sure they’re delivering to the right person (or somebody authorized by them).

              It’s actually a pretty good way to solve a lot of problems with delivery, but it does mean I need to have a mobile phone number which ends up in the hands of at least two entities.

              • bthest@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1 hour

                You should just contact the carrier to give them your number after the order is placed. Preferably you could just include your actual number as instructions for the delivery driver (if they have that. ) Doing that cuts out even more middle men and your number isn’t officially logged.

          • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7 hours

            In this case, you use common sense and be suspicious of anyone with a foreign accent making unsolicited phone calls…especially those with Indian accents. The ones you should look out for are the scams that involve AI spoofing a family member’s voice.

            • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              7 hours

              The less info about you is out there, the less handles they have to pass themselves for those who can legitimatelly ask money from you or which control access to your money, be they family, friends, your bank, the government and so on.

              They can’t spoof a family member’s voice if they don’t know who is your family or have access to samples of their voice - both things often obtainable via Facebook and would also be obtainable via a Chinese equivalent one might be tempted to use instead.

              Anyways, my point is that Chinese companies are inherently no more trustworthy than American ones, they’re just not as bad yet because they don’t yet have the same access to masses and masses of personal information for people all over the World - once they do, they’ll be just as bad because regulations in China are also shit and they don’t give a damn about foreigners.

  • IratePirate@feddit.orgEnglish
    15 hours

    To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      14 hours

      Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13 hours

        To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
          12 hours

          The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.

          • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            7 hours

            Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.

            Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.

            Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.

          • Attacker94@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7 hours

            Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law

        • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.netEnglish
          12 hours

          And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.

          GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.

          • CAVOK@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8 hours

            Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.

    • Hackbraten@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5 hours

      Used Meta once it was still caled Facebook and even then i did lose interest a few year after i made the account. Well and Tiktok as i first saw it all i thought that it was a desiese and it should be burned.

    • mriormro@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7 hours

      You can use something and still not trust something.

      What point are you trying to make?

      • monotremata@lemmy.caEnglish
        48 minutes

        I mean, this was my first question as well. If you say “I don’t trust that guy with my kids,” then you also should not be leaving that person alone with your kids. If you do leave him alone with your kids, people aren’t wrong to say that you very much are trusting him with them.

        So I think it’s legitimate to ask whether they mean they “don’t trust Chinese and US firms with their data” in the sense that they do not provide their data to them, or just in the sense that they do give them a bunch of data, and then feel misgivings about it.

        Which, y’know, it’s something you have a limited degree of control over, certainly, and we don’t want to fall too much into blaming the victims. But as someone who didn’t manage to actually get off Facebook until last year, I definitely felt for a long while before that like I was complicit in my own exploitation, and contributing to a societal problem. I think even the people still there know that cancelling it is the low-hanging fruit in terms of reducing the amount of data in the hands of dubious firms.

      • kungfuratte@feddit.orgEnglish
        6 hours

        I can spell it out for you:

        People recognize the problem, but don’t take appropriate action.