• Flatfire@lemmy.caEnglish
    18 hours

    Cool, they’ve done effectively the same thing they did with the Steam Deck. I think they truly didn’t anticipate the volume of people interested in the controller.

    • Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zipEnglish
      18 hours

      Which is surprising, they should have had the stats based on wishlisting alone.

      They really should have had this system in place from the get-go, I was actually expecting it to work that way.

      • ericwdhs@discuss.onlineEnglish
        18 hours

        I said it somewhere else, but I think Valve actually did factor in wishlist counts. The problem is in the percentage of those that convert to sales. For games, the median conversion rate is 10% to 20% of wishlists converting to sales within the first week. I expect the Steam Controller’s conversion rate was much higher.

        Valve may have even tried anticipating this from Deck sales and still failed to account for the Deck conversion rate still being lower due to the greater price.

        • eli@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15 hours

          Yeah I have 500+ games on my wishlist. Just to keep track of specific games. Stuff has been on there for years.

          I do wonder how many Steam Deck owners would also want the controller and what the ratio is. There’s how many Steam Deck owners? 3-4 million? Even if 5% of those wanted a controller that’s 200k. 25% is almost a million. And then there’s the people that only want the controller for their PC/HTPC, others potentially buying for their future Steam Machine…

          I would guestimate 2 million controllers on the conservative side, 6 million on the other end.

          I do wonder if they expected 5 million and demand is over 10 million…or more…would explain the OOS and lack of a reserve system if they thought they’d had enough.

          • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2 hours

            I must turn off the mails for wishlist prices now that you say it

        • horse@feddit.orgEnglish
          17 hours

          This is definitely true for me. I have the controller and Frame on my wishlist. Bought the controller day one, but if I ever buy the Frame it will likely be years down the line. 100€ is in the price range I don’t have to think much about, but over 1000€ (I don’t believe they will be able to keep the promise of not making it more expensive than the Index) not so much.

          • ericwdhs@discuss.onlineEnglish
            16 hours

            Yep, it’s a complete mess to try to predict. Despite both the Frame and Machine being in my wishlist and expected to come in around the same general price, I’m buying the Frame day one while the Machine may stay on hold indefinitely. I’ve been all in on VR since the Vive, but I’ve got better PCs than the Machine already, so my interest in it is more just for its novelty. Nothing about my wishlist status tells Valve any of that though.

            • 42firehawk@fedinsfw.appEnglish
              12 hours

              Yea for me the controller solves a lot of what I need from controllers and fits right at the price I don’t have to wait for, while the frame I buy when I am set for it since it’s the perfect upgrade for me for a long time. The machine is on my wishlist as a console idea if I ever want it. Each are wishlist, but have a very different priority.

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      17 hours

      I think they truly didn’t anticipate the volume of people interested in the controller.

      If you’re getting the Steam Machine 2.0, you’re probably going to get at least one Steam Controller 2.0, since it’s the closest thing to an “official” Steam Machine controller, and it’s designed to let you do a reasonable job of playing mouse-based games (which Steam has lots of) from the couch (and the Steam Machine is aiming at the living room). The two products kinda go together like peanut butter and jelly.

      But…the Steam Machine 2.0 is deferred, so the people buying a Steam Controller now are buying one to use on a PC, either for use at a desk or some non-Valve-built living-room PC, which I think is probably harder for Valve to predict demand for.

      • ericwdhs@discuss.onlineEnglish
        16 hours

        Oh, I didn’t think of that. If Valve did something like subtracting Machine wishlists from Controller wishlists to estimate the number of people wanting to buy the Controller to use by itself, that leaves a lot of room for underestimating the overlap. I probably contributed to this too by wishlisting the Machine despite not being sure I actually want it. If you only wishlisted the Controller, I may have taken your spot. Oops. Sorry, guys.

      • Airfried@piefed.socialEnglish
        16 hours

        I’ve heard they’ll bundle those or at least planning to but given they already ran out of controllers I’m not too optimistic.

      • warm@kbin.earth
        15 hours

        The Steam Machine will include a Steam Controller.

        • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
          14 hours

          You sure? I don’t think I remember seeing that.

          goes looking

          https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine

          Made for Steam Controller

          Steam Machine comes with a built-in wireless adapter, just for pairing with Steam Controller. (Up to four with a single adapter!) This means you can pair your Steam Controller without its puck, and you can wake your Steam Machine without leaving your couch.

          I mean, they say that it has wireless support for remote power-on for it, but nothing on that page that I see says that the Steam Machine comes with a Steam Controller. They might do some bundle with a discount that includes both, and I could totally believe that, but…

          • SatyrSack@quokk.auEnglish
            10 hours

            I don’t exactly know why, but I was 100% positive that the Steam Machine was planned to come bundled with a Steam Controller. Just like how any PlayStation, Xbox, etc. comes with a controller. But no, looking at the official page (as well as an archive), I cannot see any mention that the Steam Controller is bundled.

          • warm@kbin.earth
            12 hours

            Maybe they are planning both, standalone and bundle. I was under the impression from the original announcement coverage that a controller would come with it, pretty sure that was said multiple places.

    • Nibodhika@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4 hours

      How do you think it would have gone differently if they had done this?

  • SoloCritical@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17 hours

    Oh thank god, this actually is awesome. I was so frustrated for missing the original launch but this should help!

  • ryphez@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8 hours

    Cool I’d like mine to ship already. This launch has been rough

  • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11 hours

    Before release, the only thing people seemed to want to do was complain about the price, and now they’re way sold out. Never trust pre-release opinions I guess.

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      8 hours

      On eBay, I see two listings from scalpers already up for $230 and $319.

      EDIT: Oh, there are a ton more, most about $210 into the three hundreds. Just only had two come up at the top. Search for “steam controller 2026” and you’ll see a bunch.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 hours

      Valve or not, I have no reason to cheat on my beautiful 8BitDo Ultimate with that overpriced whore of a gamepad.