Google informed Meta in March that it couldn't provide all the Gemini AI capacity that Meta was asking for, humiliating CEO Mark Zuckerberg.
  • yesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4 hours

    I’m confused, why is Google telling customers they can’t use it’s AI? Can they not keep up with demand?

    That seems way more interesting a story than Meta relying on a competitor.

  • earthworm@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    8 hours

    Tl;dr: Meta has to use Gemini, because their own AI can’t keep up. And then Google cut off their access.

    In yet another sign that his company is seriously struggling to keep up in the AI race, Google informed Meta earlier this year that it was cutting Meta off from the Gemini AI capacity it needed, the Financial Times reports.

    Ironically, the lack of access to Gemini — which is far superior to anything Meta has built in-house — slowed down Meta’s own AI projects, including data moderation and customer services, highlighting how heavily Zuckerberg’s company is leaning on its competitors as its own AI efforts languish.

    • bitteroldcoot@piefed.socialEnglish
      7 hours

      Gemini was supposed to be catching scammers for them.
      But when caught, meta only charged them more, it didn’t delete the accounts.

  • chrash0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 hours

    i kinda feel sorry for Yann LeCun and his team at FAI. he’s been saying from the beginning that LLMs are not the way forward for AI research as a field, and that has kept Meta from competing in this gold rush effectively. world models, multi-modality, etc are fine and good research but aren’t here to compete with Claude Code or even as effective at being good enough for stuff like search.

    not to be too reductionist, but it’s a tough spot when your head of AI is insisting that this tech has no future when there is a literal $T market for it.

    the irony is that these “frontier labs” like OpenAI and Anthropic have basically dropped every greenfield research project that doesn’t directly support their “agentic AI” infrastructure (ie endless Markdown prompts + a while loop) while the labs working on the true frontier are seen as failures because they can’t make a bazillion bucks burning megawatts of energy to replace their front end devs.

      • chrash0@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3 hours

        yeah, i know the argument you’re trying to make, but that doesn’t change the actual capital and labor being used to create these things. whether it’s profitable once the investors run out of money is another story.

        • eleijeep@piefed.socialEnglish
          3 hours

          I see what you mean, but I’m still not sure I would describe that as a “market.”

          Usually a market has both buyers and sellers.

          • chrash0@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3 hours

            yeah, i mean it’s all bit abstract, but that’s essentially what it is.

            a concrete example would be Nvidia. they’re wildly profitable, and they don’t care how overleveraged you are as long as their barrels full of cash keep coming in.

            i agree with you that there is a concerning amount of debt and leverage going on, but it’s undeniable there’s money changing hands.

            but also, speaking of abstract, all this shit is made up and most of the money “moving” is just flipping some bits in a database somewhere. i also agree with you that it’s all a bit of a facade for people with power to play with power while the true “value” of society such as cost of living and quality of life take a low priority cuz “AI has a $T valuation”. but if you live in this system, this is what it is.

    • very_well_lost@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 hours

      None of the frontier labs are making a bazillion bucks, nor do any of them even have a path to profitability without substantial breakthroughs in the research space.

      • chrash0@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 hours

        i mean, people are making money. sure there are debts owed, but Mark isn’t going home to a 1br rental even after being so “humiliated”. the bag holders are the investors.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8 hours

    The revelation is bound to sting. Despite committing over half a trillion dollars over the next two years, the company’s flailing AI efforts have been plagued by rock bottom morale, infighting, high-level executive departures, and related PR crises.

    No wonder everything is shit, when Zuckerberg was convinced that building a big enough LLM he would achieve strong AI! 🤣 🤣
    AFAIK Meta had some of the biggest investments just a couple of years ago in AI on that basis! 🤥 🤡

    Ah well, Zuckerberg may be stupid, but he will not suffer much, Facebook is still a money machine, and META can afford the losses, just as they could afford the losses on the Metaverse.

    It’s worse for OpenAI, Palantir and SpaceX with XAI, because they don’t have a money machine to save them when the AI business fails.

    Google, Microsoft and Meta (facebook) will be OK.

  • saltesc@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7 hours

    This seems to be a tech corp script. Have one good thing, get rich, spend the next few decades failing at everything else you try.

    At some point you just have to admit you’re really shit at stuff but just got lucky once. The odds will land on someone and that’s about as special as you are.

    • Benaaasaaas@group.ltEnglish
      4 hours

      That’s how they get their initial business, that’s how they are finding the subsequent ones, just throwing spaghetti at the wall until something sticks

  • db2@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7 hours

    The Epstein class aren’t capable of that emotion. They can feel anger when they don’t get their way and pleasure at harming others and that’s about it.

  • baggachipz@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    8 hours

    Google: “cant help you bro, we’re busy shoving that shit into everything we have even though nobody wants it.”

  • beep@piefed.worldEnglish
    8 hours

    The actual title: Google caps Meta’s Gemini use as AI demand strains capacity.

    Down-voted due to bad source(Futurism) and bad title.