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Investigators recovered two stolen trailers carrying $1.3 million in data center supplies, including copper wire and infrastructure equipment.
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- NocturnalMorning@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
Don’t tell them there’s copper and other precious metals they can steal in AI datacenters. Also, most definitely DO NOT tell them most AI datacenters are completely unstaffed and easily accessible.
- TehWorld@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
Copper by weight is cheap as hell. RAM & NVME drives are a WAY better ROI. It wouldn’t even be worth carrying the whole server.
- ryathal@sh.itjust.worksEnglish19 minutes
Copper is way easier to fence and way easier to steal. The RAM and NVME aren’t getting installed until the building has functional security. The mile of copper wire to run power is locked in a trailer and might not even have a permanent fence around it yet.
- 1 hour
Bro, watch/read Catch Me if You Can. Frank Abagnale is one of my heroes, like Joseph Smith is, and for the sane reason Christ is our lord. The audacity of a man in reflective vest, hardhat, with ladder and/or clipboard to walk confidently into a building to waltz up to the seventeenth floor to steal state secrets? Well, I’ve only done that four times, so it’s not like I’m an expert or anything.
- Snapz@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
Young entrepreneurs just pulling at those little bootstraps, Regan would be proud of their ambition in advancing their station.
- 1 hour
Regan sounds like some sort of sect of veganism. They refrain from consuming animal products unless the animal signed a consent form, which is prolly what’s coming with Neuralink. People can’t handle same sex marriage, so what happens when animals consent? I’m not even a furry, I’m a foot fetishist, but ethical bestiality is coming in the next generation, I would say. And damn is Fox News going to implode!
- 25 minutes
I would pay seven figures to be the caboose in a human centipede
- blazeknave@lemmy.worldEnglish58 minutes
Isn’t this just going to raise prices? Not a win for fuckai folk?
- 1 hour
I would, but I know the FBI is watching me from inside my own brain AND from satellite AND wifi
- nanometer1625@thelemmy.clubEnglish5 hours
I’ve read science fiction books in which humans scavenged the machines’ supplies like rodents scavenging from a kitchen, and now it’s reality.
- Marija@lemmy.zipEnglish5 hours
Copper theft has always followed expensive infrastructure. AI data centers are just the newest high-value targets.
- bridgeburner@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
True. You can see this with charging stations for EVs as well. Not uncommon that some pos mfs cut the charging cables because they want the copper in it.
- phlegmy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish36 minutes
Oh no, I really hope they don’t specifically target the tesla-only chargers…
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish4 hours
in 2008 when the housing market fell into a hole, people were ripping out copper before the banks kicked them out.
- BigMacHole@thelemmy.clubEnglish6 hours
This is TERRIBLE! WHY can’t they Target SCHOOLS or Homeless shelters INSTEAD?
-Republican Voters!
- Dookieman12@piefed.socialEnglish4 hours
Sloppy investigative work, really. Did they ever even stop to consider the possibility that the trailer simply just did that?
- mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
It’s fascinating how selective people’s moral principles become.
When it’s AI data centers being robbed, suddenly theft is funny, justified, or even worth celebrating. But if the victims were socialist politicians, transgender people, or any other group this community sympathizes with, the reaction would be outrage and demands for justice.
For the record, I have no issue with people supporting socialism or transgender rights. I only use those examples because they’re emotionally charged topics in this community, and they illustrate how quickly people’s standards change depending on who the victim is.
Either theft is wrong regardless of who the victim is, or your moral standard changes depending on whether you like the target. That’s not a principle. It’s favoritism dressed up as ethics.
- Binturong@lemmy.caEnglish2 hours
LLMs are built on theft of intellectual property and copyrighted products by capital managers who hoard wealth propped up on stolen wages and exploitation, look in the mirror before you yap on about selective application of morals.
- mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
So absolutely none of that has anything to do with people stealing copper from AI data center construction sites.
You can do all the moral finger-pointing you want. The moment you start selectively deciding who is and isn’t a thief is the moment the justice system starts breaking down. You don’t get to decide who can and cannot commit crimes. We already have enough of that in our American political system, considering who our president is.
To address your other point, no copyright infringement has been found to have occurred in the training of flagship AI models. If you’d like to debate that, that’s fine, but I don’t really feel like arguing about it because we’re talking about the morality of theft, which you apparently view as something that exists on a selective gradient. Good for you, sir. Go play Robin Hood in your own neighborhood.
Wealth inequality is one of the worst and most pressing issues in the world today. There is nothing I consider more damaging than the growing wealth gap, especially in America. You’re absolutely right about that. But once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with construction materials being stolen from AI data center construction sites.
- 28 minutes
Wealth inequality is one of the worst and most pressing issues in the world today. There is nothing I consider more damaging than the growing wealth gap, especially in America. You’re absolutely right about that. But once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with construction materials being stolen from AI data center construction sites.
Doesn’t it though? If there weren’t such rampant wealth inequality perhaps people wouldn’t be so inclined towards a life of crime. It has at least a little bit to do with it.
- 2 hours
theft is wrong regardless of who the victim is
Who the victim is, is part of what makes it wrong or not. A parent shoplifting baby formula is less wrong than a parent stealing formula from another parent. A dude stealing formula to scalp is worse than the first two. A dude stealing formula from a parent is the worst.
It’s really simple math.
- mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
There certainly are different levels of criminal severity, and you’ve outlined that perfectly. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this because they’re still stealing from someone. The people who prosecute and sentence the thieves can take those circumstances into account when determining an appropriate punishment.
Furthermore, you’ve failed to take your own example to its logical conclusion. The reason people are stealing baby formula in the first place is because it’s too expensive. In fact, everything is becoming too expensive. That’s a much broader and more serious societal issue than the act of stealing formula itself.
- 41 minutes
… Yeah, and AI datacenters being built speculatively is the same resource hoarding bullshit as high formula pricing.
Also idgaf about laws and crime, I said better and worse, right and wrong. That has nothing to do with legal, because if it did we wouldn’t be having these discussions about formula or datacenters, those kind of wealth abuses would actually be illegal.
- meta4@retrolemmy.comEnglish1 hour
Either theft is wrong regardless of who the victim is, or your moral standard changes depending on whether you like the target.
Amazing that your ‘gotcha’ is just two false statements.
Theft isn’t wrong regardless of the victim - it’s nuanced, just like all crime. That’s why we have very complicated legal processes to determine guilt and appropriate punishments.
Our morals don’t change depending on whether we like the target - it’s that our judgments are based on context.
The cool thing about ethics, morals, principles, etc… They’re all made up. We invented them. They have no objectivity (as far as we know) and therefore can and have changed based on our feelings. “Ethics” is just humans agreeing to do things a certain way because it makes us feel good, or doing things the other way makes us feel bad. There is no objective truth to it that you can so easily plug in a problem and get an objective answer.
Or is the world you want to live in just completely binary? No room for nuance?
2 hoursTheft is wrong when you’re taking something away from someone who will miss it. Multi-billion dollar corporations will barely notice if their shit gets stolen, so I don’t care if it does.
- mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
I’m not asking you to care. What I’m saying is that you’re morally inept by not caring. Either you admonish theft across the board or you don’t. People are stealing from someone else regardless of who they are.
You don’t have to care, you’re just wrong.
- phlegmy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish14 minutes
Theft is too vague to be given a blanket right/wrong verdict for all situations.
Failure to recognise nuance is morally inept.We have courts and juries specifically because morality is not a hard rule.
I’m okay with not meeting your strict black and white standard of morality. In fact, I find it immoral. “You stole bread because you were starving?? You’re EVIL!!”
- 1 hour
You are reacting to masses but attributing caricature as if the masses were individuals. You’re being played by the game. On any story there’s X% of people who are fuming over it, but its not the same people. You’re reacting to the system but treating broad categories as persons. By default, you’re strawmanning, and there’s power to that, but until you grow out of that mindset, you are ruled by the strawmen you create for yourself, or rather, who our cultural engineers create for you.
- electric_nan@lemmy.mlEnglish1 hour
What the heck are you on about? You can absolutely have a consistent moral framework that destroys data centers while protecting individuals. Hell, call it humanist or something.
- BlackPenguins@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
I see one unethical person robbing another unethical person. It’s the same reason I don’t care when bad things happen to criminals. Transgenders don’t fall into the same category as billionaires.
If a socialist did something unethical I’d root against them too.
- mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
You’re absolutely correct. As would I. The fact that someone is a socialist or transgender has no bearing on the content of their character. I was simply using examples of emotionally charged topics on this particular platform.
But theft is theft. Luigi Mangione murdered the CEO of United healthcare. That is not up for debate. Whether Luigi Mangione did something morally correct is an entirely separate and highly contested question.
I will still condemn Luigi Mangione for resorting to violence in the same way that I will condemn people stealing from AI data centers. Theft is theft. Murder is murder.
On a personal level, I couldn’t care less who steals what from a data center. The fewer of these things we have, the better. But my personal opinion does not change the principle. If I’m going to condemn theft when it affects people or causes I support, then I should condemn it when it affects people or causes I dislike as well.
Luigi Mangione murdered the CEO of United healthcare. That is not up for debate.
Actually, it is. That’s what the whole, y’know, trial and “innocent until proven guilty” thing is about.
