OpenAI, Anthropic Lobby Washington on Chinese Open-Weight AI
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OpenAI and Anthropic have pressed Washington privately to restrict Chinese open-weight models, according to five people close to the talks, days after both sat out an industry letter defending them. OpenAI signed on Friday evening and Google followed Saturday, leaving Anthropic alone outside.
  • melfie@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 hours

    “OpenAI” signed the open weight pledge, which only makes sense given the company name and original values. They’ve had gpt-oss for quite a while, but it feels like a pretty half-assed effort for the purposes of virtue signaling. I’m not holding my breath for them to release an open weight model on par with GLM, Kimi, or Qwen.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2 hours

      They’ve abandoned their openness ever since they saw the widespread success of ChatGPT and GPT3. They were really only "Open"AI around the GPT-GPT2 era.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8 hours

    Funnily enough, OpenAI signed the open weights letter too.

    Sam Altman would do literally anything, say anything to make OpenAI look good. He would sacrifice his grandmother if he could, and I’m not one to say that lightly.

  • JTode@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12 hours

    Never has it been more clear what Capitalism is. It has fuckall to do with freedom and everything to do with sharecropping.

    • terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 hours

      it has nothing to do with either. its about private ownership. thats it. thats all it has ever been and thinking the government owning companies is better is silly.

    • ExFed@programming.devEnglish
      9 hours

      The current economic regime is less like “capitalism” and more like “feudalism with corporations.”

      • JTode@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 hours

        That depends on what you are calling Capitalism. I’m all for free markets and such, but Capitalism was never anti-feudal - first thing the Burghers did was marry their kids into Noble families. It was strictly about adding “man with enough money that he doesn’t work” to the protected class.

  • _Nemo_@lemmy.mlEnglish
    14 hours

    “Using free Chinese models that you can run locally and offline is a security risk. People and businesses high on AI should be forced to use our expensive cloud-based models that funnel all their data through our servers and can be turned off or price-hiked by us at any moment!”

    • terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 hour

      this article doesnt address local models. this is about kimmi k3. i had to look because its very hard to restrict local ran software

      • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        1 hour

        kimi k3 is going to release on huggingface tomorrow. it will be open weight, assuming nothing gets between now and then. they just wanted a short exclusivity period.

      • partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5 hours

        Trade secrets, too. Frontier models have everything they need to help you, take what worked, then help your competitors.

    • zwerg@feddit.orgEnglish
      14 hours

      I get what you are saying, but its not just data egress, its how the model was trained. I’m thinking of models trained to inject security weaknesses, for example.

      • ApeNo1@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 hours

        I see no reason US based AI companies would not carry the same risk especially with the well documented cases of groups like the NSA openly asking US technology companies to provide back doors.

        • zwerg@feddit.orgEnglish
          10 hours

          For sure, that’s why I dont trust any of them. Its interesting because unlike open source, open weight models don’t tell you anything about what was included or excluded.

      • 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish
        10 hours

        Yes, rather we trust the capitalists who want to literally remove technology from our control and force us to use their cloud and their AI models that are built on good old American ingenuity and honesty, trust me bro you’re better off looking for weaknesses in our models by spending on tokens to see what happens .

        Not everything China does is a psyop.

  • eicker@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16 hours

    Using security as a convenient tool to sideline foreign competition is a slippery slope, especially from companies that built their own success on open research.

      • WanderingThoughts@europe.pubEnglish
        12 hours

        Untill you want to protect consumers from something capitalists are doing. Then it’s all about not limiting innovation. In reality , innovation translates into additional fees, subscriptions, dynamic pricing and that kind of stuff.

      • phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish
        10 hours

        In a competitive market, there’d no longer be a US auto industry, except Tesla, and it wouldn’t survive much longer without massive subsidies.

      • eicker@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 hours

        Perhaps. The difference with regard to OWAI, however, is that US companies have no alternatives to Chinese suppliers.

  • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    14 hours

    “Think of the children!!”

    Just turn the internet tube from china-ai off, how can it be that hard?!!