Your illusion of privacy shouldn’t prevent an attempt to stop children being radicalised and accessing extreme content… it is having a profound impact on society. First generation ever recorded to be more right winged from the get go? Fuck that… Do you not see the type of country this will be in 20 years time if we don’t prevent kids accessing state level propaganda?

What the heck is your point exactly? We shouldn’t have mass surveillance? But we already do… Have you seen how many cameras there are? Do you know DWP can access your internet history if they suspect benefit fraud? No warrant required… And that’s one of dozens of government departments that can just whip up your internet history…

This isn’t some grand attempt at putting the final bit of the puzzle together… there are legitimately multiple generations of children who can’t read, accessing brain dead content that are turning into potatoes and becoming radicalised… Shall we just stop all attempts at preventing that because you’re worried about your privacy?

I know what you said, you said you would go torched earth if labour don’t drop the bill to protect kids from bad sites. You would vote for anyone else, which is essentially hanging the towel and letting reform win. First past the post and all that.

You’re under the impression we don’t already have massive surveillance? I know you know we do, the only difference is we don’t have any of the perks of it, such as stopping kids from accessing highly damaging content online.

I believe it is. The government capabilities of spying on its citizens doesn’t require it to have age verification lol… In any case, UK people can’t be spied on.

Age verification? What’s your point… voting for anyone else enables reform to get in which leads to America.

If you think using Linux, encryption, vpns and Lemmy makes you anonymous to any states or data brokers that want to identify you then you are naive at best.

I have not surrendered my anonymity, I recognised and accepted that in order to have it, a lot of bad things become possible, and the damage it causes… It’s just not worth.

That’s an entirely different subject though, my point remains. You are not anonymous to governments or data brokers. This bill won’t decrease your level of privacy, it will only make it more difficult for children to access social media, which currently is plagued with all sorts of harmful content. This bill is a net positive.

And my point is you have already lost the ability of privacy long ago…

Anonymous age verification? You are not anonymous on the internet to begin with. Even doing what you’ve suggested won’t reduce the ability for the government and even data brokers to identify you.

Then what is the problem with the bill? Everyone is up in arms about censorship and monitoring their identity but that already happens. This bill just means it’s harder for kids to access garbage sites? The capabilities to do all the things people think this bill will achieve already do exist in any case…

I was led to believe people on Lemmy are more technically minded. So can you explain to me how you don’t think the government has the technical capabilities to already monitor internet usage of its citizens? The DWP can already access your internet history if they suspect benefit fraud already, for example…

Let me get this straight. You would vote for any other party, which equates to reform getting in and doing an unimaginable amount of damage to the country, because labour has banned YouTube, tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook for kids?

Unfortunately, I think parents have by and large failed to parent this aspect of a child’s life. Do we continue to trust parents when they are so clearly failing? I suppose education is the long term answer but I rather just remove the ability for kids to access such harmful content.

So your solution is to do nothing until there is a good plan. What is a good plan? How do we measure if something is a good plan before implementing it? Especially on the scale of moderating the internet… And what would your good plan be?