no, i think neither government nor corporation should have any spots. let lemmy be by the people and for the people.

Black white thinking without self reflection.

We need a counter-2025 Project.

Then we should also fiscally boycot them.

Also ditch WhatsApp.

The global group of oligarchs. Through them it was made possible that Russia got seized by fascism, and that China turned ever more capitalist; and that the USA is now a prototypical infant fascist state.

Order can only exist with liberty.
Liberty can only exist with decentralisation. Decentralisation can only exist with anarchocommunism.

Except that MLs repress all of those.

Anarchocommunism represses none, as it favours freedom of speech, freedom from money and greed, and freedom from hierarchy.

Anarchocapitalism doesn’t exist; it’s mostly libertarians in disguise, who want a repressive Cyberpunk dystopia.

Yeah, sure. They frequently repress anarchocommunists.

There is no democracy without anarchy.

Then by definition, MLs aren’t communists.

Except that, comrade, the Prague Spring organisers opposed a secret police, which is imho a fascist element. It also focused on decentralisation of the economy. The KGB infiltrated some of the organisations.

The Hungarian 1956 liberation struggle also demanded public ownership of land. While it is true that the CIA had been involved (e.g. inviting the fascist over for reform… gee, Hungary didn’t change much eh?), neither of the revolutions appear 100% bourgeoise. It would have helped to imprison the fascist, and not inform the public.

While it is true that “pro-democracy” often in practice means “pro-bribery” (as oligarchs then are enabled to bribe politicians), the core problem is and remains money even being a thing of prestige.

What should be the rule, is that society must be as resistant to corruption as possible. This is especially critical for factions and cooperations. That means:

• All must be obliged to organise according to decentralised worker democracy. No boss, no master. Freedom of discussion, freedom of action.

• No one who ever has led/owned a private company may be part of a group.

• The groups must finance themselves through the principle of a moneyless, barterless gift economy, and mutual aid.

• Full transparency of finances is required, including ultimate sources. This will encourage people to make the ‘stream’ of resources as direct as possible.

• If a group does not adhere to even one of these principles, it is automatically considered defunct and disbands; and the members will be part of a group that does adhere to it. Those who made the group no longer adhere to all principles, will be societally barred from mutual aid (transport, food, housing, and so on). In other words, don’t be a corrupt person.

• Groups can not be bigger than 150 people, but can mutually aid each other and cooperate in federations, which must also be organised through all above principles.

It doesn’t per se prioritise order inasmuch it prioritises state tyranny.

I view tankies as marginally better than fascists in that they at least strive for universal healthcare, universal housing, and so on. But when it comes to being able to choose, they’re just as terrible.

Order can only be achieved through freedom from intolerance. The true answer lies in anarchocommunism.

I think the confusing part is that liberal in there refers not to the ideology but to free in choice.

Maybe a better wording would’ve been “free” or just “democratic”, leaving out the “liberal” entirely.

nice try, CIA

Or you just parent them properly.

True, freedom is important, but I feel like the paradox of tolerance also could apply.

Wouldn’t it then be a better idea for one of us to secretly install a ‘mole’ instance for the far-right? Once a critical mass is reached, all users from there can be banned, and someone loyal to us can make a new mole instance, claiming it’s free from their censorship. And then again, rinse and repeat.

But, how would you inconvenience the Nazis then? How would you deter them from the fediverse?

Thanks, another recommendation for my block list then :3

i’m a peaceful leftist and support criticism of fascism. if that makes me toxic then you’re the problem :3

When people are forced into a corner, the only winning move is to eliminate the fascist.

Thanks for letting me know, blocked them. Blåhaj on, comrade!

Barring them from everywhere would be ideal, but if not that, barring them from as many places as possible would be good too. Billionnaires have too much power and they are the powderkeg, in my view, that enabled fascism. So imho, we need to reduce their numbers and wealth, redistributing it to everyone.

I defend barring fascists everywhere, and not compromising the resilence of the fediverse to censorship from fascists.

And as for social and political means… in Germany, the AfD has had fewer votes as a % of turnout, than what the Republicans got in the US. I think the real cure is to combat algorithms by the root, and to seize the power over them back to the left and anyone non-fascist (or not as insane).