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  • I don’t believe those MBA types should be in the discussion at this level at all.

    That’s the thing. They are in the discussion. It doesn’t matter what we think about it. If touching Rust risks yielding lower profits this quarter, it’s an automatic ”fuck off you filthy hobbyists”. Even having the discussion costs money.

    Rust in the kernel isn’t about technology, it’s about economics and risk management. I’d like to see the discussion move on from ”C bad unsafe rust gud typesaf” to a level where the suggested benefits of Rust are made clear to the people holding the bags of money, preferably presenting some actual monetary benefits. (Oh, and to make things worse, there are thousands of different stakeholders, with different interests, many of which are in conflict. Good luck!)

    So yeah, I get that you don’t care about it. But you probably should.


  • I’m still kind of on the fence about Rust in the kernel. Linux isn’t some random hobby project, there are serious people working for serious companies in the project. Rust has a clear value proposition w.r.t. it’s qualities as a language, but I don’t think it’s as clear on a system level.

    Say I’m working for a large company as a dev, maintaining a subsystem (let’s say a driver). Letting other people (filthy casual hobbyists) mess around with their filthy type safety will eventually spill into my subsystem and cause extra work. I don’t want the extra work, I just want to have my driver working and then go home. And even if I’m okay with the extra work, my boss won’t be. Even the risk of extra costs down the line will be enough for some to shut it down completely.

    There are boring people working for huge corporations with huge stakes in the Linux kernel. I don’t think they see that much value in Rust at the moment, and I think the Rust crowd might need to hire some MBAs if they want to expand their presence in the kernel.





  • I both agree with you, and kinda disagree.

    If you venture into installing Flatpaks on such a system, just keep in mind that:

    • Auto updates must be on
    • The Maintainer of the Flatpak in question must be expected to provide security updates for the next five years or so. Personally, I’d only use it for packages provided directly by project maintainers (i.e. Dropbox from Dropbox Inc. as packaged by Dropbox Inc.).

    Keep in mind, like 95% of normal people (we are not normal) don’t know what a package manager is and only use

    • ”The internet”
    • Webmail
    • Google Docs
    • Spotify

    For that, we need the default desktop install and the Spotify app (probably a Flatpak). That’s about it. It’s a glorified web browser with batteries. Treat it that way and keep it that way, unless your SO has any specific needs and requirements.

    The limited and dated package set is kind of a feature. Only packages that should work until the laptop breaks, and only packages that won’t change randomly when you update (mostly).



  • I’m gonna be the boring guy.

    RedHat Enterprise Linux. (Or Rocky)

    Most boring distro ever. Install it, turn on all the auto updates and be happy. Install something to take backups. Ignore any new major-releases, that laptop will die before the OS hits EOL.

    Benefits:

    • Boring. It’s their tool, not your plaything.
    • Actually works
    • Will be reasonably secure over time with minimal effort and manual intervention.
    • If any commercial Linux software is required, it will most likely only be supported on RHEL or Ubuntu.
    • Provides web browser and word-processing. And we don’t need anything else.

    Drawbacks:

    • Boring (for you)
    • Not ideal for gaming

    If you install anything else than RHEL-derivatives or possibly Ubuntu on a machine that someone else will use, you are both in for a world of pain. It has to ”just work” without intervention by you, and it needs to keep working that way for the next 5 years.

    Source: Professionally deploying and supporting multiuser desktop Linux to a few thousand users other than myself.