• Schal330@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      Using uBO, but have noticed a slightly longer delay of a few seconds between hitting play and the video starting, but I can deal with that over being forced to watch 30s of ads.

      • Ricky Rigatoni@retrolemmy.comEnglish
        9 months

        Honestly it just felt like youtube’s servers were shittimg themselves again, so I baely even register it as a real interruption.

    • palordrolap@fedia.io
      9 months

      There have been periods where one of my accounts was getting an ad-length black screen with buffering throbber (I hate that name) and, the most recent time, it was accompanied by a pop-up asking me if I’d like to find out why that was happening. Yeah. I know why that’s happening, thanks.

      Then that stopped happening again. Either they gave up or UBo have worked around it somehow. Never ending arms race.

      • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachtsEnglish
        9 months

        This happens to me too, especially when it’s a computer that I haven’t used in a while, which makes me think that yeah it’s the arms race. It stops once my browser is open long enough for uBO to update

    • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
      9 months

      It’s the people that make blocking lists that we should thank. I don’t think uBO makes anything themselves

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 months

    Google will never get a cent out of me, willingly.

    If it gets annoying enough, and FreeTube stops working, I’ll find something better to do with my time.

  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 months

    They’ve been doing this for close to 20 years. Ever since shortly after google bought them.

  • MemmingenFan@feddit.orgEnglish
    9 months

    If you are a content creator please consider upload your content on other video platforms too.

    • Björn@swg-empire.deEnglish
      9 months

      The trouble with that is that there is barely any money outside of YouTube.

      • atlien51@lemm.eeEnglish
        9 months

        They can upload to multiple platforms at once and still keep their YouTube money + grow an audience on a different website??

        • Björn@swg-empire.deEnglish
          9 months

          Yeah, some of the Linux Youtubers do that. With a channel on Peertube as well. And Science Youtubers often advertise Nebula.

      • yumpsuit@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        I read somewhere that nebula was paying a good bit more per view, and paid per minute watched

            • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
              9 months

              Then it’s not an alternative

              If it pays “a good bit more per view” than YouTube when basically no one on YT pays and many users have adblockers, someone is getting ripped off here

      • sexy_peach@feddit.orgEnglish
        9 months

        That’s because of missing views though mostly, no? The ad revenue isn’t big anyways I think.

    • moseschrute@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9 months

      Idk how one gets content on Nebula, but I wish more creators would join. Ik nebula isn’t Fediverse like PeerTube, but I still really like it and think it’s worth the $30/year to not get ads.

      • yumpsuit@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        Being a majority artist owned co-op is in the fedi spirit. I know Rebecca Watson is crushing it on Mastodon, are there any other nebula/fedi crossover creators you’d recommend?

    • atlien51@lemm.eeEnglish
      9 months

      Bro those Mf should’ve started doing that YEARS ago like…

  • Em Adespoton@lemmy.caEnglish
    9 months

    If they know I’m blocking their ads, why wouldn’t they just block the video altogether? That’s what they currently do.

    If it’s already blocked, slowing it down to “blocked… but slower” seems rather pointless?

    • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
      9 months

      It’s a tarpit. If they simply displayed a blocked “no vids for u” message, you’d get outraged, go complain online, look for workarounds, and eventually find a bypass. If everything still works but poorly, you get annoyed, turn off your adblocker to troubleshoot, possibly blame the adblocker for being “buggy” and keep it off. Their help page solution implies they are hoping for just that. There is no “smoking gun” blocked message to go complain online about, even though it is indeed their servers that are degrading your connection on purpose in secret. Or maybe you give up and leave their ecosystem entirely, which is no big loss for them.

      The proper solution is to develop an adblock that they cannot detect is blocking ads. This may require actually downloading the ad video in background, and then lying that the video has played.

      • Em Adespoton@lemmy.caEnglish
        9 months

        I’d be more likely to just assume delivery quality was going downhill and look for another streaming video hoster/provider. Why would someone link slow speeds to a plugin that filters out the stuff you don’t want?

        • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
          9 months

          Stripping down to a skeleton of a software is standard troubleshooting procedure. Ever had a plugin crash and consume 100% cpu? I had. Only way to sense is that fans are spinning up and page is laggy, and then look in about:performance and there it is. No one would have ever suspected that the website you’re visiting is deliberately introducing bugs in secret if it thinks you’re adblocking.

          • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creatorEnglish
            9 months

            Relevent Username: If you went to Tau Zero, you can finish watching every youtube video in mere moments from your point of view

        • zurohki@aussie.zoneEnglish
          9 months

          Because the “Why is the video being slow?” pop-up now sends you to the page blaming adblockers instead of the ISP shaming thing it used to do.

      • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        9 months

        I actually wouldn’t mind that. An ad blocking method that just plays ads in the background with the sound muted and not visible on screen.

        If google only lets me stream the content I want when I stream content I don’t want, that’s fine, I just don’t want to watch it as it’s my eye balls, not theirs so it’s my choice at the end of the day

      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        I’ve been wondering about that, also perhaps a browser where your mouse position has seperate client and software side states? I know a lot of data can be gleaned from mouse movements so if the browser only updated its internal cursor position when you actually clicked that would potentially cut out that source of information?

        • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
          9 months

          In the ultimate, you’d need to do something like run a headless browser in a virtual machine, have it play out and record the entire video, then use something like AI to splice out the ad segments and distracting elements (a souped-up sponsorblock will work for a while, but eventually ads will be injected into the raw video stream at random intervals), and present the pristine finished content to you. Basically we are going to re-invent TiVo all over again xD.

          In worst case, you can’t start watching until the pre-roll ad timers expire. This is how adblocking works on Twitch streams currently - you can only see a purple screen even if you block the ads.

          And yes, the headless browser will need to use AI for human-like mouse movement and to solve captchas - basically whatever state-of-the-art technologies spammers and scrapers are already currently using.

          Google is anticipating this future and is trying to implement and force hardware-based DRM for web video before then.

          • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9 months

            AI might be overkill? I recall back in the day people working out which images where manipulated by the way the underlying flow of colour and pixel layout didn’t line up, each image ends up with a kind of grain of different size and direction. You could spot ads by detecting which image data doesn’t line up with the majority and cutting it out that way.

            • TauZero@mander.xyzEnglish
              9 months

              I know Lemmy hates AI, but this actually would be a perfect use for it. The problem is the idea of what an ad is. Yes, you could try to use secondary characteristics like image color or sound normalized volume (WhyTF do youtube ads still sound 3x louder than content? are we living in cable era again?), but they would be error-prone for any content more visually intense than a podcast. They would also not capture sponsorblock content like “I love showing you all these foreign countries but what I love even more is having my internet connection secure” that match the video flow. A crowdsourced lookup table of all known ad clip fingerprints would go a long way, until ad videos themselves start being AI-generated on the fly for that sweet personalization revenue.

              No, what I really want is to distill the idea of what I want to see into an AI and have it filter out what I don’t want to see for me. I know an ad when I see one, so AI can too. Pre-roll/mid-roll ads? Gone. Sponsorblock content? Gone. Like and subscribe? Skipped as if it didn’t exist. Virtual billboards on the sidelines of sporting events? Overlayed with kittens. Idiocracy banners squeezing the video from either side? Cropped and rescaled. Watermarks? Excised and content-aware-filled.

              The last frontier is when the content itself is secretly an ad, imprinting upon you some idea or point of view. You’ll have to watch out for that one on your own.

    • Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
      9 months

      They are probably trying to find that spot where it’s just slightly more annoying to block ads than leave them unblocked.

      • Em Adespoton@lemmy.caEnglish
        9 months

        Currently blocking ads consists of keeping uBlock Origin up to date. Not blocking ads generally means going to a different platform after a single ad roll.

        I have no issues with pre-roll ads; it’s the interstitial ones that drive me away.

        • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9 months

          I have an issue with pre-roll ads. Some of them are extremely long and can’t be skipped

          • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.caEnglish
            9 months

            Remember 10 years ago the YouTube app only showed ads on every 3rd video and often only a single 5 second ad, and everything longer could be skipped.

            Like a frog in a pot I could tolerate that amount, a few years later they started the ad ramp-up and what finally drove me to install vanced were 3 unskippable ads you had to endure just to watch something.

        • QuarterSwede@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9 months

          Absolutely the same for me. The only reason I block their ads is because of how frequently they interrupt the content. It’s just unacceptably greedy. Pre-roll ads is fine, I get they have bills to pay too.

        • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
          9 months

          i added 2-3 other adblockers. and i use UBLOCK origin to bypass facebooks login popup to look at posts. because making a fake acct for fb is extremely difficult, one of the few places on the internet that i can download new maps of old rpg game(linked to thier drive).

          • Frellwit@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9 months

            i added 2-3 other adblockers

            Never run multiple adblockers at the same time. You gain nothing except broken websites, performance issues, and an increased chance of triggering anti-adblocks.

    • Death_Equity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      If they give you what you want, but harass you enough, you may just stop using an ad blocker to watch the video and might just forget to turn it back once you are done.

      If you had to unlock your bathroom door to enter or exit, you will either put forth effort to correct the problem or you will take the lazy route and just prop the door open.

    • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      If you went somewhere else their competition is winning (directly as another video site and indirectly as anything else you would do with your time).

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      9 months

      i have been blocking them fro 10+years with none other than UBO. only recently i added more adblockers, to block other stuff the ubo wouldnt.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        That’s probably a bad idea, as it makes it more likely YouTube will detect the ad-blocking. Better to add your own custom rules to UBO instead.

  • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
    9 months

    Oh no! You are going to make your platform work like ass? And you expect us to do mental gymnastics in such a way that instead of blaming you (you know the one that has control over the platform) we blame uBlock? The same uBlock that has made using your platform bearable for many years, to the point that I will sit in silence with the screen off instead of watch with ads?

    I think even if you make us wait a min before playing the video most would take that over an ad.

      • fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish
        9 months

        That’s what they’re banking on, but we know that eventually they will f*** it up and lose everyone.

        • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
          9 months

          Unless we have some serious alternatives, that won’t happen anytime soon

          Video hosting is really expensive. Every service running for free will eventually enshitify and turn out similar, because there’s no such thing as free massive servers

          • Rin@lemm.eedeleted by creatorEnglish
            9 months

            deleted by creator

          • brisk@aussie.zoneEnglish
            9 months

            Peertube has already delivered the sustainable model: creators host their own videos and viewers assist distribution.

            • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
              9 months

              All they need that I see is missing, is a way to discover / search everyone from any instance. Like, a consolidated / federated search.

            • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
              9 months

              Who pays for the servers? Because if even big platforms like Signal sometimes struggle to pay the bills, in part because they spend a lot on their servers, then it’ll be dozens of times worse with video hosting

              • brisk@aussie.zoneEnglish
                9 months

                Content creators. It’s hard to host everyone’s videos, and it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary, as it prevents new entrants. It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted). It becomes harder when you suddenly become popular, a situation which Peertube explicitly compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers, which scales with popularity.

                Signal makes it’s own bed like YouTube by being a single centralised server for everyone. Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP

                • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
                  9 months

                  It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted).

                  Do you really expect more than even 5% of all youtube channels to do it? You have high hopes.

                  compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers

                  I believe it’s done in a kinda P2P way? Didn’t really check, but wouldn’t that just not work with NAT internet connections, which many people have because that’s just more secure this way? Also, bad for privacy.

                  Using a TURN server would also add huge costs so it’s basically like hosting your own server

                  Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP

                  I don’t so I wouldn’t, but if I was, I would be wondering, as I always do. Anyways, I believe XMPP doesn’t store stuff and only transmits, and Matrix doesn’t store things forever (and doesn’t store videos like YT), and the main instance is funded by donations, and smaller instances are just pretty small and have media wiped when needed

                  it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary

                  That’s the POV of people in [email protected] or selfhosted. Most people can’t be bothered with this shit and are pretty tech illiterate. Some don’t want to waste even a minute. And that’s the case of the very vast majority of people on the internet.

  • Uruanna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 months

    Don’t care, still better than the ads.

    I’ll sit for 2 minutes in front of a black screen and it’ll still be better than 45 seconds of ads.

      • Ydna@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9 months

        Same. That ole “You seem to be using a proxy service” text served as a nice break 🙌

  • phantomwise@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9 months

    If it takes too long to load I just use yt-dlp to download the video or whole playlist and watch it later. Do I care that it’s putting additional strain on YouTube’s servers? Indeed, I’m devastated and overtaken with guilt 😂 These are tears of regret, I swear 😂

    • Krompus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      yt-dlp is fucking awesome and it will be a sad day if it ever gets taken down or blocked.

  • gwilikers@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9 months

    For about the last 3 years I’ve been hearing about YouTube cracking down on ad blockers. Not once has it affected my. Ublock still stops ads on the browser. Revanced stops em on the phone.

    • Sixty@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      9 months

      Their attacks are never a global rollout, you somehow dodged them all! Lucky.

    • RexWrexWrecks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      FWIW, I’ve been using ublock origin, too, and it’s mostly worked fine.

      Until a few days ago, when Youtube started detecting it and showing down the site and telling me I can only watch 3 more videos before it cuts me off. That hasn’t happened yet, but I definitely feel the slowdown. I’m hoping a ublock upgrade will fix it soon.

    • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      9 months

      I’ve been getting them over the last week or so on both Chrome at work (Ublock lite) and Firefox at home (UBlock Origin). It’s just a popup telling me adblockers aren’t allowed and then a second smaller popup saying something to the effect of “loading issues?” with a link as the video delays playing for a few seconds.

  • mostNONheinous@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9 months

    Stop feeding me dog shit AI videos about a condom delivery boy who has to deliver some to a hotel only to find his girlfriend cheating on him and maybe I’ll stop blocking ads you fuck sticks

  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creatorEnglish
    9 months

    I mean, when I want to watch TV or Movies, I load it into my torrent program 🏴‍☠️ and let it download in the background. I could do the same with youtube videos.

    • ayaya@lemdro.idEnglish
      9 months

      I already do this. There are several apps for it but I really like Pinchflat because it has metadata settings for Jellyfin.

      All I have to do is add a video to a playlist and it gets automatically downloaded. I use it for archival but there’s nothing stopping you from making it the only way you consume YouTube content.

    • gegil@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      9 months

      I had a time, when i had frequent internet disconnections, and connection speed was slow in general, so while i had the internet connection, i just downloaded a bunch of videos, to then watch offline. Suprisingly, downloading video even with slow internet is faster than streaming it, despite when streaming it, videos was always buffering. Now i have stable internet and i can just stream videos without the problem, even by using third party app with no ads and without account.

    • jungle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 months

      Wait, you think all YouTube content is available in torrents?

      • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creatorEnglish
        9 months

        I mean like the downloading aspect. There are a lot of youtube downloading tools available for practically every OS desktop or mobile (well except iOS)

        • jungle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9 months

          You specifically said BitTorrent. Do you know how that works?

  • Psythik@lemm.eeEnglish
    9 months

    “Might”? They’re already doing it.

    YouTube in Firefox with Ublock Origin is getting throttled down to 1500kbps. I can’t watch anything above 720p on my desktop anymore (with gigabit internet).

    YouTube ReVanced on mobile and SmartTube Next on the TV still thankfully work without issues.