• 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight…

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        3 months ago

        Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

        Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

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        3 months ago

        i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business world?

        this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality ;)

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          3 months ago

          I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don’t own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.

          Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.

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            I would say go with whatever company that doesn’t have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

            I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don’t own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter

            So did you mean “CEOs not throwing a Nazi salute” or “CEOs whose Nazi salutes don’t show up on your twitter feed”?

            It seems you forgot what your argument is in a span of two rebuttals

            You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.

            You should work on your reading comprehension then

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          3 months ago

          To be fair, I think most of USA is on recreational drugs, legal, illegal, or “prescription”. That shouldn’t matter as much compared to his other actions.

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            3 months ago

            what he does in his free time is one thing (i don’t care about that), being high when he is working for a government ruining people’s lives and jobs is another.

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        3 months ago

        So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.

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          3 months ago

          If you don’t see musk as one of the singular greatest threats to this planet, I dunno what to tell you. It is certainly not just the salute, that was just the most public he’s been about his true self. If I recall those Nazis had some thoughts on the Holocaust as well.

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      3 months ago

      Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It’s not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

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        3 months ago

        Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I’m from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.

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          3 months ago

          Even the cheap ones accelerate faster, ride smoother, and are quieter. You don’t have to get oil changes, and the brakes don’t wear down as fast. Plus I can recharge at home, which is loads cheaper than buying gasoline.

          And this is all with a relatively ancient Nissan Leaf, the new vehicles are all far better.

          Oh, and let’s not forget that even very small air quality improvements have noticeable improvements in lung health! Humans were not meant to be breathing gasoline fumes or combustion exhaust.

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            3 months ago

            My government just added a controversial extra tax on EVs because they tear up the roads and cause additional particles, because they are really heavy and most of them have a better than usual torque.

            You can really see how road quality went to shit after EVs became mainstream.

            Making batteries is also a really ugly business and far from environmental.

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              3 months ago

              I can’t find anything on such a tax?

              I feel like there has been an uptick in pro oil bots in the past week. Oil is a pretty ugly business too? What is wrong with you people.

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      3 months ago

      Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

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        3 months ago

        buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car.

        that isn’t really an argument in favor of china 😂

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          3 months ago

          China famously doesn’t have a far-right problem, unlike the EU or the USA, what are you talking about?

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            3 months ago

            unless you for some reason like leftist dictator who would like to rule the world more than the right one, there isn’t really practical difference in this

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              3 months ago

              China would love so much to rule the world, that’s why it hasn’t entered any war in the past 40+ years, and that’s why all countries in the global south are happy to enter the comparably advantageous economic deals and infrastructure investments that China offers in comparison with the magnificent western democracies.

              How many countries has China bombed in the past 40 years? Let’s now make a list for the USA, see who wins!

              As for “dictator”, look at the approval rates of Xi in China and compare them to those of Kid Starver in the UK, Trump in the US, or Macron in France. I guess democracy is best represented by the system that lets you choose which hateful ghoul will apply social austerity policy and invest 5% of GDP in NATO.

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                3 months ago

                I agree until the last part. Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open. Countries should be able to defend themselves, 5% is a step toward peace. The cold war never became hot because of the investment in defence.

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                  3 months ago

                  The cold war never became hot

                  Tell that to the millions of people the west murdered through bombing of Korea, Vietnam or Laos, the millions more murdered though US support of military dictators such as Suharto or Pinochet, or the millions who died through the de-stabilization of their countries such as Mosaddeq’s Iran, Guatemala or the outright invasion of Iraq. Ask those people what they think of the west’s military expenses over the past century.

                  Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open

                  Literally two days ago Mamdani won the mayoral elections against all polls, polls in the west are heavily manipulated. And literally last week a man was denied entry in the country due to having a picture of bald Vance. I happen to be Spanish, and in our super-democratic state we have literal political prisoners who had to free the country such as Carles Puigdemont due to political persecution and risking their lives in jail. The west is NOT more democratic than China at this point, and the trend is towards openness in China and towards fascism in the west.

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                    3 months ago

                    The trend is toward openness in China? Just off the top of my head didnt Xi consolidate more power over the last 12 months and stop issuing economic statistics as a resukt of their trend?

                    I am not American, they are a shit hole country, they have never been much more but the veneer is wiped off now.

                    Those proxy wars are the example of it not getting hot. Russia and the US had so much military power no one risked direct attacks.

                    I do not support the US, Israel or any such shite but dont tell half a story and sum up with china is opening up.