Including inkjet paper!
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Fun fact: Kodak had some issues with gelatine that contained too much sulfur back in the 1920s, which ruined a lot of the material they were producing. Happened because the cows have eaten a different type of grass.
This led to Kodak becoming a large cattle farming company too, so they had control over that part.
Side effect of this was the development of faster film.
Film science is completely bonkers.
Searching for “vegan photo paper” shows that the claim of “all” isn’t true.
For the people surprised that gelatine is made of animals, you can look into Agar powder.
It’s made of algae, and works the same way as gelatine. In my opinion it’s better because you can reliquify it if you need to. It’s a bit harder to activate though as you’ll need to bring it up to a boil instead of just mixing it into luke warm water. It stiffens up nicely and very clear though and faster that gelatine even at room temperature
Works great in a petri dish for fun mycology experiments you can perform at home!
A great deal of prescription medication has gelatin and if you tell your pharmacist you can’t eat gelatin you’ll be passed back to your doctor who needs to write an alternative script for an entirely new medication that may not be as effective because they simply don’t make an alternate preparation without gelatin.
A lot of prescription strength PPIs are like this: esomeprazole, omeprazole, etc. the otc ones can come in capsules that are just the enteric coating (the gelcaps are filled with granules each coated with enteric, which is basically a time release coating). Enteric itself is not automatically vegan, older formulations have shellac and gelatin, though newer formulations are vegan using plant derived cellulose and copolymers (a proprietary compound called Eudragit).
The frustrating thing here is that gelatin is used for reasons (improving absorption, mainly) but this can be achieved through vegan means like hydroxypropyl methylcellulose or pullulan, which is superior to gelatin in many ways.
Not just pills either, wound care stuff in hospitals - hemostatic sponges, gelfoam, hydrocolloid dressings. The frustrating thing here is that there are numerous other ways to make a hydrocolloid matrix. Gelatin was just the first well established one really. But especially over the past like 40 years understanding of hydrocolloids have expanded drastically.
With medical stuff obviously change moves slowly, new formulations need to be thoroughly tested, but the final frustrations are that these paths either arent being tested/explored (to my knowledge, in terms of like dressings), or they are established but aren’t being implemented because of cost. So when you get acid reflux or cystic acne and you tell your dr you’re vegan or halal or orthodox Jewish or whatever they will shrug and be like well sorry that this pill uses porcine gelatine, tough shit I guess?
Why isn’t shellac vegan? Isn’t it just bug shit?
Two things I can think of: first, that the harvesting process will unavoidably involve killing a lot of lac bugs, even if they’re filtered out later, and secondly, that some vegans include insect-produced substances (notably honey) in the things they avoid.
Such weird reasoning to me, given it’s impossible to produce/harvest vegetables without killing bugs.
If it was that they like just scraped bug shit off trees maybe, but shellac industry is ultimately a farming industry that kills millions of insects. Many vegans don’t eat honey either.
Some vegans do eat shellac and honey, of course. It’s not there’s official rules aside from “no animal products”. Do insects count? That’s up to you. Some people are vegan for health reasons, some for moral reasons.
Insects absolutely do count. The only shellac products I have (that I know of) are some old records from the '40s. Lac bugs are kind of cute so that makes me sad.
Edit: I’m not vegan but I’d like to be once I figure out some personal issues, both financial and dietary.
*real vegans dont eat honey, it’s an animal product. Insects are part of the animal kingdom. Same could be said about shellac as it is the animal product of the lac bug. I know a few “vegans” that are vegan EXCEPT they eat honey. These are exceptions outside of being vegan, by definition. Not trying to be a prick and demean anybody that identifies as vegan yet consumes honey just stating the facts here … The lac bugs that produce shellac are very odd creatures! But all insects are part of the animal kingdom no matter how u dice it
re: “real vegans”
There’s more than one way to define veganism. Primary distinction: is it about avoiding animal products whenever possible or is it about minimizing animal suffering/exploitation whenever possible? (Sub-argument, what counts as “exploitation”?)
I feel that no matter what you do, there will always be some level of suffering by something.
Unless you’re entirely lab growing all of your food in some sterile environment, but then it’s a matter of how you’re sourcing energy and disposing of waste to prevent harming creatures. I believe we’re still a ways off from entirely lab grown foods being a sustainable/economically viable option for most people as well.
Transportation of any kind will lead to the deaths of animals and insects. Even if you’re not operating a vehicle.
Personally, I feel that drawing the line at insects being non-vegan is a bit arbitrary, since at that point why is plant suffering not taken into account? Plants are multicellular organisms that respond to stimuli. They are living organisms, they reproduce, and they have a form of respiration.
I’m not vegan but I like to live based on harm reduction where I can. I’m thankful to the organisms that are helping to fuel me and it is for that reason I try my best to avoid being wasteful. I’m from a family that has hunted for food and we always made sure that no parts went to waste from an animal’s sacrifice. We also only ever went for as much as we needed, not the maximum allowed.
a bit arbitrary
This is pretty much the point I aim for whenever I talk about veganism. It is arbitrary, but strong proponents tend to frame it as an obvious moral truth. I’m with you: be aware of and grateful for everything that contributes to your life and livelihood.
My own brand of “harm reduction” means eschewing plastic whenever possible, this means leather and wool instead of polyester and vinyl (cotton and linen can’t do everything, and vegetable leather just isn’t durable)
That’s a brand of thought I could subscribe more to, thank you for sharing your perspective.
Ultimately I agree with you but semantically there are absolutely people who call themselves vegan that do not closely read labels for things like shellac. They just concern themselves for dairy, meat, etc either because it is a health concern or they don’t consider insects animals.
Similarly there are people who consider themselves vegetarian and eat tons of gelatin based candy despite the fact that gelatin cannot be made without killing an animal.
Doesn’t even get into refined/white sugar and the whole bone char thing!
Inkjet paper is just paper.
Photo paper has gelatin.
It is implied in the post.
It’s pretty asinine to suggest that ‘photographic inkjet paper is just paper’. You pick up a plain stack of A4 and try ask a store clerk ‘is this photographic paper?’ and they’ll say ‘no, the photographic inkjet paper is here’ and point you to the gloss photo paper.
You can have plain A4 paper that’s marketed as ‘photographic quality’ - but that ain’t photographic paper, which is what the post says.
Does it need to be specified that it would be inkjet photo paper? Because that’s implied.
Yes it does. Most inkjet paper is not photo paper.
I’m with you mate, inkjet paper is just paper
Photo paper is photo paper
100% of the time this is true.
The fact the title says photo paper and the body says inkjet paper further implies we’re talking about two different things
You need the obvious pointed out to you? I knew education was going down, but this is hilarious.
It’s a post about something in particular, why would you ever think they would be refering to something else?
It’s no different of a scenario than someone talking baseball players and you assume the last one is a hockey player. It doesn’t need to be specified, you’re just fucking dumb lmfao.
Sounds like someone needs a hug!
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“All photo paper contains gelatin, including inkjet paper.” No, it doesn’t need to be reiterated. But the clarification is still helpful.
It’s right in the post title.
It’s about photo paper already lol. I put implied for politeness.
TIL film photography isn’t vegan
Most gelatin does… even the Jello you eat.
Yea but most people expect there to be gelatin in gelatin
If I can’t expect meat in my hot dogs, I can’t expect gelatin in my gelatin.
Crap… I really enjoy the taste of inkjet paper too 😔 Can someone recommend a paper with less face in it?
