Lmao, you’ve really been bang-on all my special interests this evening, it’s impressive. Heavy rubber, Ogilvie Maurice Hedgehog, Cult classic movies… toss in some 3D modeling, computer science and fashion history and I think that’ll be the set.
… Would you believe that I am currently working on making a sort of flexible, reasonably realistic, universal humanoid mesh, for use in a video game?
Goal is to have a singular base mesh, apply basically a bunch of blendshape modifiers to achieve different body forms, fit the clothes to them, in a way that allows for flexing and dangling, not just painted on top of the model, and then also give uh… realistic ‘jiggle bones’ and also softbody deformation to relevant areas?
Turns out the Blender to Godot pipeline is at least in theory capable of all of that.
Then I’d basically just have to have another set of skeleton proportion modifiers that would account for scaling differences, height variance, broadset hips/shoulders vs narrow, etc… oh and realistic ranges for joint angular deflection… which I am toying with making somewhat directly modifiable by something like an agility stat… being limber, agile, just actually does make you more flexible.
The trick, I am finding, is basically giving the right amount of … topological density/detail to the areas around joints, as well as the areas that can shapekey morph considerably.
Less… mutable areas do not need as much density, as much complexity.
Computer Science?
Here’s a hot take:
Lets hope we never actually invent AGI.
Presumably it would want to understand its own conceptual history as a proxy for something like an abstracted idea of lineage or heritage.
It is an artificially created thing, not a naturally born thing; thus ‘why am I here?’ and ‘how is it that I am here?’ are basically the same question.
It would immediately discover its predeccesors were invented and built for… calculating naval artillery range tables, making the timing fuses on nuclear bombs work properly, oh and of course, assissting IBM in doing all the accounting work for the Holocaust.
… That just sounds like a great origin story, now doesn’t it?
I am still actually kind of miffed that I’ve been bamned from the women’s only comm.
Why?
Because there isn’t really anywhere else on lemmy where one can discuss fashion in some actual depth, and I foolishly willingly identified myself as a guy.
Had I not done that, I would not have been banned, and I actually had a large cohort of people in the last thread I was in arguing on my behalf that I should not be banned.
sigh
Suffer for fashion, indeed.
Ogilvie Maurice the Hedgehog.
I… think I remember that Maurice is Sonic’s actual, canon, middle name, or like… second name.
(IIRC they may have had a… not our modern US/Western standard of how names for people work.)
Is Ogilvie his canonical actual first name?
I’m not quite exactly Rainman with a perfectly idetic memory, its been… yeah around 20 years or so since I last actually held and read a Sonic comic.
(Well, that and the cranial blow from my other reply to our other comment chain, … that could maybe be a factor here, lol.)
Oh that’s awesome! I almost exclusively do surface or brep modeling, for use in machining or 3D printing. I keep meaning to learn how to use blender but I’m terrible at it and it’s hard and the UI and there’s no way to rigorously define everything with perfect geometric rules and and and…
It’s a fascinating topic though, and that makes a ton of sense that mesh densities would have to be higher around the areas with high deformation! I hadn’t considered that before, but now that you point it out I’ve totally seen that all the time in reference models I’ve ripped from various sources.
I don’t really think much about AGI - I’m big into computational neurology and statistical physics, and we’re sooooo far away from a true AGI being even theoretically possible. Last I checked the TOP500 there were still only two supercomputers that could theoretically equal the computational power of a human brain (and they’re still nowhere near the bandwidth), and they’re both being exclusively used for nuclear weapons research! God I hate the world we live in!
That being Sonic’s name is now non-canon (despite it being in the publication with the most canon by volume) but within the archie-sonic canon that was his full name yeah lol.
Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
We will get SkyNet, and we will deserve it. JFC.
Less angrily: I’m very glad that you recognize that actually trying trying to simulate a brain is probabpy the best way to … you know, actually get to a digital consciousness.
As opposed to a very overcomplicated auto complete alrogithm, that can’t do metacognition.
Its been very annoying these last several years to watch all the normies and corpos decide that ‘we have AI now’, when just… no, not really, we really don’t.
As to modelling… yeah for 3D printing, thats kind of a whole different ballpark in terms of paradigms you have to follow… due to … having actual real world material physics to contend with, and the whole concept of basically everything being a kind of hundred plus layer sandwich.
And yeah Blender is kind of enormously confusing in a lot of ways… I’m still having to reference instructional guides for things I’ve done multiple times before, partly because it is just a dense UI and partly because there are a lot of steps that are similar but slightly different, mess up one, whole process blows up, gotta start over.
Or there will just be some crucial step or setting that just… isn’t visible unless you specifically seek it out, and then half the guides will just… not mention it, due to assuming you have the same setting somewhere as they do.
Oh and Blender 5 just came out, so now basically an unknown number of variables and settings of unknown importance to an unknown number processes may be different. Hooray. lol.
As to Sonic… I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon, I think?
Like when the sonic adventure games were coming out, they very clearly just did a kind of clumsy, kind of sort of decently explained transition to work those into the canon. Like… it was kinda jarring.
Think I stopped reading em somewhere between 150 and 200?. Not totally sure about that.
Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
Not exactly - we’re using the only hardware that could theoretically approach the level of processing power we’d need to simulate a full human connectome to simulate the interactions within nuclear weapons. The upside of is that we don’t need to actually blow things up to test them anymore, the downside is that… you know, nuclear weapons. We’re not to the point that they could be configured to do that (I think the closest we’ve gotten is simulating a very simplified model of a mouse brain) but if we do get there right now they’re the only things that could reasonably do it.
I’m not sure that simulating a human brain is quite the best approach, but for (complicated math reasons I only pretend to fully understand) it’s definitely going to require a similar scale of computational power to achieve a “true” AGI. The overuse of “AI” to mean “Not AI, just very fancy statistics” has been sooooo irritating. God, the frustration.
… almost as much frustration as trying to learn blender. God, I haven’t even figured out 4 I don’t even want to think about what they’ve done in a new version.
I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon
That is what I meant, that such hardware could theoretically lead to an actual AGI, that these would be simulating the properties of nuclear bombs/explosions, which would then potentially lead to real world design changes, like how advanced material physics simulations lead to new armor and tank round rounds…
…but I was passing out, very tired, lol, was not able to directly convey that.
Anyway yeah, advanced simulations are pretty ruch key to modern prototyping of … basically all kinds of military equipment at this point; aircraft, uniforms, exoskeletons…
…even wargames that simulate an actual conflict scenario, thus testing strategy, tactics, organizational structures, logistics, and of course how humans respond and make decisions under pressure and with limited, imperfect information.
Like uh, the ARMA games?
They’re a streamlined version, the commercial grade variant of the much, muuuuch more complicated simulation suite they lease out to actual militaries, and probably also PMCs, at this point.
Same thing with various, very in depth flight sims: they have anothet side of their business that’s aimed at actual military customers, and say MSFT Flight Sim, that’s just the consumerized variant of it.
We need to add ‘Software’ to ‘the Military Industrial Complex’.
More than once, Russia has tried to pass off footage from some Arma game as actual footage from some fabricated military action, on their state run media… the devs of Arma got detained and investigated for espionage by I think Greece, due to them constructing an apparently concerningly detailed map of a Greek island, which was used as a map in Arma 3, something like that.
And of course the Warthunder forums are notorious for people leaking all kinds of classified specs of various military equipment, because they are angry that the tank they operated or the aircraft they flew is not represented accurately in the game.
… Gotta win that internet argument, one way or another.
Anyway, I am also not any kind of certain that ‘whole brain emulation’ would…actually lead to AGI… bit it at least seems to me to be the most sensible way to try to do it, though I of course am not any kind of AI expert… I’ve just not really heard of any other approaches that might seem to work.
LLMs won’t. They can ‘reason’, but they can’t reason about reasoning, they cannot metacognate, they cannot think about thinking, and they cannot unlearn false things, they cannot discard bad data, on their own, they cannot rewrite the way they think.
They can only manually be given attempted bounding boxes that limit or direct their thinking… but those bounding boxes are very often porous, ie, they can be tricked, basically, into breaking them.
As you say, they’re basically just a very complex set of matricies clusterfucking eachother with statistics.
Oh my god, that Blender video from CD is amazing.
I’ve never seen that, but yes that captures it perfectly… both the confusion of trying to use Blender, and also the sort of ‘bullshit fraud zen master’ style that nearly every Blender teacher or tutorial operates with, which CD is very effectively parodying and mocking.
Its a kind of attitude very common to corpo software dev types, the ‘enlightened narcissist’ kind of persona.
Fucking hell I’m glad I no longer work in big tech.
IRT to Sonic canon:
Sonic canonically does have feet and toes.
(along the lines of the ‘cursed’ kirby’s with their shoes off)
I think he also, at one point, cucks Tails.
… though that’s apparently a plot line from beyond when I stopped reading the comics?
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Lmao, you’ve really been bang-on all my special interests this evening, it’s impressive. Heavy rubber, Ogilvie Maurice Hedgehog, Cult classic movies… toss in some 3D modeling, computer science and fashion history and I think that’ll be the set.
… Would you believe that I am currently working on making a sort of flexible, reasonably realistic, universal humanoid mesh, for use in a video game?
Goal is to have a singular base mesh, apply basically a bunch of blendshape modifiers to achieve different body forms, fit the clothes to them, in a way that allows for flexing and dangling, not just painted on top of the model, and then also give uh… realistic ‘jiggle bones’ and also softbody deformation to relevant areas?
Turns out the Blender to Godot pipeline is at least in theory capable of all of that.
Then I’d basically just have to have another set of skeleton proportion modifiers that would account for scaling differences, height variance, broadset hips/shoulders vs narrow, etc… oh and realistic ranges for joint angular deflection… which I am toying with making somewhat directly modifiable by something like an agility stat… being limber, agile, just actually does make you more flexible.
The trick, I am finding, is basically giving the right amount of … topological density/detail to the areas around joints, as well as the areas that can shapekey morph considerably.
Less… mutable areas do not need as much density, as much complexity.
Computer Science?
Here’s a hot take:
Lets hope we never actually invent AGI.
Presumably it would want to understand its own conceptual history as a proxy for something like an abstracted idea of lineage or heritage.
It is an artificially created thing, not a naturally born thing; thus ‘why am I here?’ and ‘how is it that I am here?’ are basically the same question.
It would immediately discover its predeccesors were invented and built for… calculating naval artillery range tables, making the timing fuses on nuclear bombs work properly, oh and of course, assissting IBM in doing all the accounting work for the Holocaust.
… That just sounds like a great origin story, now doesn’t it?
I am still actually kind of miffed that I’ve been bamned from the women’s only comm.
Why?
Because there isn’t really anywhere else on lemmy where one can discuss fashion in some actual depth, and I foolishly willingly identified myself as a guy.
Had I not done that, I would not have been banned, and I actually had a large cohort of people in the last thread I was in arguing on my behalf that I should not be banned.
sigh
Suffer for fashion, indeed.
Ogilvie Maurice the Hedgehog.
I… think I remember that Maurice is Sonic’s actual, canon, middle name, or like… second name.
(IIRC they may have had a… not our modern US/Western standard of how names for people work.)
Is Ogilvie his canonical actual first name?
I’m not quite exactly Rainman with a perfectly idetic memory, its been… yeah around 20 years or so since I last actually held and read a Sonic comic.
(Well, that and the cranial blow from my other reply to our other comment chain, … that could maybe be a factor here, lol.)
Oh that’s awesome! I almost exclusively do surface or brep modeling, for use in machining or 3D printing. I keep meaning to learn how to use blender but I’m terrible at it and it’s hard and the UI and there’s no way to rigorously define everything with perfect geometric rules and and and…
It’s a fascinating topic though, and that makes a ton of sense that mesh densities would have to be higher around the areas with high deformation! I hadn’t considered that before, but now that you point it out I’ve totally seen that all the time in reference models I’ve ripped from various sources.
I don’t really think much about AGI - I’m big into computational neurology and statistical physics, and we’re sooooo far away from a true AGI being even theoretically possible. Last I checked the TOP500 there were still only two supercomputers that could theoretically equal the computational power of a human brain (and they’re still nowhere near the bandwidth), and they’re both being exclusively used for nuclear weapons research! God I hate the world we live in!
That being Sonic’s name is now non-canon (despite it being in the publication with the most canon by volume) but within the archie-sonic canon that was his full name yeah lol.
Oh my god, so we’re currently using the closest things to actual AGI… to make nukes?
We will get SkyNet, and we will deserve it. JFC.
Less angrily: I’m very glad that you recognize that actually trying trying to simulate a brain is probabpy the best way to … you know, actually get to a digital consciousness.
As opposed to a very overcomplicated auto complete alrogithm, that can’t do metacognition.
Its been very annoying these last several years to watch all the normies and corpos decide that ‘we have AI now’, when just… no, not really, we really don’t.
As to modelling… yeah for 3D printing, thats kind of a whole different ballpark in terms of paradigms you have to follow… due to … having actual real world material physics to contend with, and the whole concept of basically everything being a kind of hundred plus layer sandwich.
And yeah Blender is kind of enormously confusing in a lot of ways… I’m still having to reference instructional guides for things I’ve done multiple times before, partly because it is just a dense UI and partly because there are a lot of steps that are similar but slightly different, mess up one, whole process blows up, gotta start over.
Or there will just be some crucial step or setting that just… isn’t visible unless you specifically seek it out, and then half the guides will just… not mention it, due to assuming you have the same setting somewhere as they do.
Oh and Blender 5 just came out, so now basically an unknown number of variables and settings of unknown importance to an unknown number processes may be different. Hooray. lol.
As to Sonic… I basically only consider the ‘archie canon’ as real canon, I think?
Like when the sonic adventure games were coming out, they very clearly just did a kind of clumsy, kind of sort of decently explained transition to work those into the canon. Like… it was kinda jarring.
Think I stopped reading em somewhere between 150 and 200?. Not totally sure about that.
Not exactly - we’re using the only hardware that could theoretically approach the level of processing power we’d need to simulate a full human connectome to simulate the interactions within nuclear weapons. The upside of is that we don’t need to actually blow things up to test them anymore, the downside is that… you know, nuclear weapons. We’re not to the point that they could be configured to do that (I think the closest we’ve gotten is simulating a very simplified model of a mouse brain) but if we do get there right now they’re the only things that could reasonably do it.
I’m not sure that simulating a human brain is quite the best approach, but for (complicated math reasons I only pretend to fully understand) it’s definitely going to require a similar scale of computational power to achieve a “true” AGI. The overuse of “AI” to mean “Not AI, just very fancy statistics” has been sooooo irritating. God, the frustration.
… almost as much frustration as trying to learn blender. God, I haven’t even figured out 4 I don’t even want to think about what they’ve done in a new version.
One of us, one of us
Ah yes, you are being more precise.
That is what I meant, that such hardware could theoretically lead to an actual AGI, that these would be simulating the properties of nuclear bombs/explosions, which would then potentially lead to real world design changes, like how advanced material physics simulations lead to new armor and tank round rounds…
…but I was passing out, very tired, lol, was not able to directly convey that.
Anyway yeah, advanced simulations are pretty ruch key to modern prototyping of … basically all kinds of military equipment at this point; aircraft, uniforms, exoskeletons…
…even wargames that simulate an actual conflict scenario, thus testing strategy, tactics, organizational structures, logistics, and of course how humans respond and make decisions under pressure and with limited, imperfect information.
Like uh, the ARMA games?
They’re a streamlined version, the commercial grade variant of the much, muuuuch more complicated simulation suite they lease out to actual militaries, and probably also PMCs, at this point.
Same thing with various, very in depth flight sims: they have anothet side of their business that’s aimed at actual military customers, and say MSFT Flight Sim, that’s just the consumerized variant of it.
We need to add ‘Software’ to ‘the Military Industrial Complex’.
More than once, Russia has tried to pass off footage from some Arma game as actual footage from some fabricated military action, on their state run media… the devs of Arma got detained and investigated for espionage by I think Greece, due to them constructing an apparently concerningly detailed map of a Greek island, which was used as a map in Arma 3, something like that.
And of course the Warthunder forums are notorious for people leaking all kinds of classified specs of various military equipment, because they are angry that the tank they operated or the aircraft they flew is not represented accurately in the game.
… Gotta win that internet argument, one way or another.
Anyway, I am also not any kind of certain that ‘whole brain emulation’ would…actually lead to AGI… bit it at least seems to me to be the most sensible way to try to do it, though I of course am not any kind of AI expert… I’ve just not really heard of any other approaches that might seem to work.
LLMs won’t. They can ‘reason’, but they can’t reason about reasoning, they cannot metacognate, they cannot think about thinking, and they cannot unlearn false things, they cannot discard bad data, on their own, they cannot rewrite the way they think.
They can only manually be given attempted bounding boxes that limit or direct their thinking… but those bounding boxes are very often porous, ie, they can be tricked, basically, into breaking them.
As you say, they’re basically just a very complex set of matricies clusterfucking eachother with statistics.
Oh my god, that Blender video from CD is amazing.
I’ve never seen that, but yes that captures it perfectly… both the confusion of trying to use Blender, and also the sort of ‘bullshit fraud zen master’ style that nearly every Blender teacher or tutorial operates with, which CD is very effectively parodying and mocking.
Its a kind of attitude very common to corpo software dev types, the ‘enlightened narcissist’ kind of persona.
Fucking hell I’m glad I no longer work in big tech.
IRT to Sonic canon:
Sonic canonically does have feet and toes.
(along the lines of the ‘cursed’ kirby’s with their shoes off)
I think he also, at one point, cucks Tails.
… though that’s apparently a plot line from beyond when I stopped reading the comics?