- Kaput@lemmy.worldEnglish23 minutes
awh comon I just installed it for the first time, what’s wrong with Manjaro?
- Shanmugha@lemmy.worldEnglish8 hours
Did I just find next distro to try? :) Kudos to them anyway (yay, that’s the kind of news I want to hear)
- Tortellinius@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
Doesn’t look like it. But the project will now go to the to-be-founded non-profit association.
Philm actually replied around the time of your comment, sharing his disdain that this plan was set in motion, while as company owner he has no one to talk to legally, since the association has not been founded yet. He’s supportive of the move, and technically he’s right. The association should’ve already been founded, to be fair.
I hope this means Manjaro will thrive!
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close “in spirit” if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. It’d be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
6 hoursEndeavorOS too, which is even closer to “vanilla” Arch than CachyOS.
- Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish12 hours
Me neither. The more I dwell on it, the grumpier I’m getting. Distro hopping is a young man’s sport. I’ve got work to do.
Thankfully, I learned the hard way a long time ago that my files are almost entirely on a secondary drive and my home folders are all simply symlinks to folders there, so I won’t lose any data since that drive won’t be wiped. But it’s just such a pain in the butt to set up everything the way I like it.
forestbeasts@pawb.socialEnglish
4 hoursPsst, you can keep your /home. Copy /home/username to a new partition before the install (just the username folder in the root of the new partition), do the install, and point it at your new partition as /home. Bam, it’s your new home.
Or you could copy out/copy back.
You’ll need to reinstall your apps, but you won’t need to redo all your settings for them.
– Frost
- FG_3479@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
Gnome has a Save Desktop app which backs up your desktop config, list of Flatpak apps, and the folders you choose. I use Bazzite but I’m not locked in.
- Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish9 hours
That would require that I use Gnome. Which would be worse than reinstalling everything.
- ranzispa@mander.xyzEnglish11 hours
I like to have a separate partition for /home Whatever happens I can wipe root safely and install something else.
- Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish11 hours
I used to bother doing all of that too. I just found symlinking achieved the same results without a bunch of manually configuring of mount points.
mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
18 hoursThe fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro’s purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro’s issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don’t want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there’s really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
- Burninator05@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
I had been using Pop-os for about a year but wasn’t completely happy with it. A friend suggested Bazzite and, to me, it was a lot better in some ways and worse in others. I’ve since switched to Fedora and don’t really have any complaints. I don’t plan on switching again baring something I don’t see coming.
- fruitycoder@sh.itjust.worksEnglish11 hours
Honestly good on them. I hope they succeed and bring the project back to life.
1984@lemmy.todayEnglish
19 hoursAragorn writes that Philip Müller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
- BlackLaZoR@lemmy.worldEnglish17 hours
Looks like a decent plan. I’ll have no problem with supporting non-profit
zewm@lemmy.worldEnglish
1 dayHonestly the damage is done. Manjaro has been an instant no from me dog for a long time. The name carries a negative connotation. Trust has eroded.
- RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.todayEnglish12 hours
Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there’s also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.
When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I’d have to roll back using snapshots.
- Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish11 hours
The manifesto mentions this and that tooling had been made by volunteers but leadership ignored or rejected it (wasn’t clear which). So it seems that they are firing their leadership for the same reasons you want to stay away, which is a good sign, at least. Like promising that they are willing to mutiny to stop the enshitification.
- rabber@lemmy.caEnglish11 hours
Yeah the last time I tried manjaro years ago it kept breaking but I thought that was just the linux experience at the time haha
- dubyakay@lemmy.caEnglish1 day
Over a hundred thousand years the ocean of distrust has eroded the cliffs of trust in a non-insignificant manner.
AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.caEnglish
18 hoursKeep the dumbass reddit style “jokes” to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You’re not funny and your lame attempt at a “joke” is just annoying.
- kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish4 hours
I don’t see anything in the rules that says you can’t make a joke in the comments. The only thing that comes close is rule 7, and even that allows comments. Maybe you should go back to reddit?
- 10 hours
I think your butt plug has gone sour. Time to change it.
- Nelots@piefed.zipEnglish12 hours
And yet their “unfunny lame attempt at a joke” got 90+ upvotes, so clearly some people thought it was funny.
- Addv4@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.
- 1 day
It’s more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.
- 1 day
and the certs lapsed again after volunteers built tooling to Prevent That
but somebody never set up the cron job to run it
- Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn’t that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn’t it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?
Serious question, I don’t know the consequences of not renewing these certs. 😊
- Addv4@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
It’s the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It’s pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.
- dubyakay@lemmy.caEnglish1 day
It’s pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given)
Oh boy. Seems to be the opposite in real life. Especially when it comes to managing stored cert of businesses partners. It has gotten somewhat better now of course, but three years ago most of my company’s sev1 production issues were due to lapsing or unscheduled cert changes.
- rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.frFrançais21 hours
People are very harsh with Manjaro. There’s more than just a list of objective facts unfortunately. I suppose there were some bruised egos at some point.
The certs issue wasn’t a big deal, it didn’t change anything for me as a user. It just paints a bad image.
daggermoon@piefed.worldEnglish
18 hoursAs a former Manjaro user, it has some issues. It has weird bugs that aren’t present in any other Arch-based distro. Pamac ddosing the AUR is pretty bad as well. I’m thankful I used it as long as I did though. It got me hooked on Arch based distros. Everything else feels antiquated now. Actually, Void Linux is kinda cool
underisk@lemmy.mlEnglish
1 dayit’s the main way for software to verify the identity of a source. without it you let nefarious actors do something like hijack a DNS server and impersonate your servers to your users, which is a pretty big problem if you’re running a software distribution network! it is literally a breach of trust and massive security vulnerability. and it probably broke a ton of shit when software that uses the certificate found an expired one and suddenly (and correctly) refused to work.
- BigTrout75@lemmy.worldEnglish22 hours
Huh, that’s too bad. I used it for years to get comfortable with an rolling release arch distro. I thought it was good, but it would break from time to time. Thankfully, Arch is easy to install and maintain these days.
- filister@lemmy.worldEnglish21 hours
Manjaro was quite messy last time I tried it a couple of years ago.
- Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish23 hours
I started using Manjaro long before all this crap started going down, and I’ve been holding on hoping this all gets sorted because I hate distto hopping.
But sadly I don’t think its going to happen. I’ve got a new PSU coming to fix a burnt out one that has left my desktop turned off and unupdated for two months. Might be time for an install of something new rather than updating afterwards.
- taiyang@lemmy.worldEnglish23 hours
It’s indeed the time. I found Cachy was a good pivot, similar feel but seems to work better overall. Manjaro is still based on Arch after all, technically.
- RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.todayEnglish23 hours
I also started with Manjaro, but it’s broken mess. I moved to Garuda and it has been completely solid and stable for over a year.
- Samskara@sh.itjust.worksEnglish18 hours
Garuda is pretty great if you want a nice experience out of the box. Can recommend.
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spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
1 dayGood for them! A second TLS problem after what happened last time is unacceptable. I hope the ‘mutiny’ succeeds.
Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
1 dayAnd even that was only the most visible yet surface level one of their problems.
- sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish24 hours
A significant portion of the Manjaro team has signed a manifesto demanding the project split from its parent company and restructure as a non-profit.
Sourav Rudra 18 Mar 2026
Manjaro has long been one of the more popular Arch-based Linux distributions, known for making Arch Linux more accessible to everyday users. But it has been losing ground for years, both in terms of user trust and active contributors, and the complaints about its direction have only gotten louder.
Now, things have hit a breaking point, with calls for a fork if the current leadership does not budge.
A Manjaro team member going by the handle “Aragorn” has published the “Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto” on the official Manjaro forum. The post lays out a detailed restructuring plan for the project that has been signed by 19 team members, including developers, community managers, moderators, and the company’s technical lead.
Is there any weight behind this?
The manifesto opens by stating that the Manjaro Project has been declining over the past decade, losing trust and contributors while repeating the same mistakes without ever addressing them.One example cited is the repeated failure to keep TLS certificates current, something volunteers had reportedly already built tooling to fix, only to be ignored.
From there, it goes after the core issue directly. Aragorn writes that Philip Müller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
Aragorn goes on to say that:
The priorities of the Project leadership do not align with those of the developers and community. The current leadership’s goal is to turn Manjaro into a successful business, and thus far, these attempts have mostly failed.
The money situation makes it worse. The manifesto says the company, Manjaro GmbH & Co KG, has not been funneling any of its funds back into the project and has not pursued outside funding either. **What the team wants is a clean separation, where the Manjaro Project is spun off from Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG and restructured as a registered nonprofit association under German law (e.V.).
The new structure would distribute ownership equally among members, use transparent voting for major decisions, and assign “arbiter” roles to experienced contributors for specific domains.
Under the proposal, the nonprofit would get full use of the Manjaro trademark through 2029. The company keeps the right to use it too, as long as the two don’t step on each other’s toes. After that initial period, the manifesto nudges the company to declare that it is willing to hand over full trademark ownership to the nonprofit for €1.
Key assets like the GitHub organizations, the self-hosted GitLab instance, forum, CDN, and the manjaro.org domain would all move over to the non-profit as well. **The team has also laid out what would happen if they were ignored. The “Our Resolve” section of the manifesto says that there are three stages (from 0-2): waiting for a reply, striking and going public, and finally forking or leaving. Within Stage 1, there are three phases that control how public the document gets.
They skipped Phase 2 and jumped straight to Phase 3 a few days ago, moving the manifesto to the public Announcements section of the forum and archiving the thread on archive.org. If things don’t improve, then a forum lockdown is on the table. **Don’t think that this is some kind of witch hunt. One of the Manjaro team members, Dennis ten Hoove, has clarified that the goal of this initiative is not to kick people off the project but to change the leadership and help foster Manjaro as a healthy community-driven project.
Expect a bumpy transition
Philip did break his silence on the matter, saying that he is fine with an association being formed but wants no part in setting one up himself. He also made clear that handing over any assets would need to happen on the company’s terms and closed with a warning that public statements damaging to either himself or the business could have legal consequences.The protesting team’s response was measured, where Aragorn pushed back, pointing out that the manifesto already lets the company continue using the infrastructure for as long as it needs to move its operations elsewhere.
Roman Gilg, who signed the manifesto despite being the company’s CTO, put a direct question to Philip, asking whether he had any specific objection to the list of assets outlined in the document. Philip went quiet again.
After days of silence on that question, Aragorn declared that Philip was stalling and announced the team was skipping Phase 2 and moving straight to Phase 3 (where things stand as of now).
What can you do?
There’s an active community discussion thread with over 200 replies, started specifically to accommodate talks surrounding the manifesto. If you have thoughts on what’s going wrong with the Manjaro project and what could be done better, you can head over and weigh in.
One of the Manjaro old timers, Stefano Capitani, has recently posted there, sharing his view of the situation:
I have to apologize to all of you. It seems I’ve missed some of the events here. I believe, without fear of contradiction, that I, along with @guinux , @oberon , and of course @philm, am one of the “old timers” still active, if not as much as before, but still active in Manjaro.
I have to be honest, I feel like I’m having flashbacks because we’ve already had these discussions or “storms” in the past. We’ve always come out stronger, and we’ll come out stronger this time too.
PS: You need to be logged in to the Manjaro forum to view user profiles.
- ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish17 hours
Thank you for writing this up, as someone not familiar with what’s going on over there I really appreciate you taking the time.
- sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish13 hours
Thanks, but I didn’t write anything – I just copy pasted the linked article – maybe it is not what the website would want, but I much prefer reading the article in the comments vs having to click the link to read the article.
Raises an interesting philosophical and operational point about how content online should be paid for.
- sem@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish24 hours
The new structure would distribute ownership equally among members, use transparent voting for major decisions, and assign “arbiter” roles to experienced contributors for specific domains



















