• frozenspinach@lemmy.mlEnglish
    5 hours

    It’s the ultimate “Sumerians Look On In Confusion as God Creates World” scenario. ActivityPub already exists, it’s the prince that was promised. We don’t need any more platforms.

  • Soapbox@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 hours

    What we really need is an alternative to the the original functionality of Facebook.

    Staying connected with real life friends, family, and acquaintances.

    Social event planning, sharing life photos, sharing life updates, hell even marketplace.

    All the federated “alternatives” are basically twitter clones, which really is a very different thing at its core. I do not want to share family photos and life updates with the whole fucking planet. Just the 500ish people I “know” in real life. I also don’t want to see tweet like mastodon posts in my friend feed. Its a different thing.

    I know friendica is supposed to be that, but in my experience, its slow as hell, and just feels like a weird overlay on mastodon.

    • frozenspinach@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2 hours

      I recently came across an essay that basically argued we should separate “social media” from “attention media”, as the latter is what these places has morphed into.

      I think that’s exactly right. The one caveat I would throw in is that the federated alternatives are solving a slightly different problem, namely centralization. And that in and of it self did, at least at first, genuinely recreate a feel everyone recognized as belonging to a prior era of the internet. A different structure of who ones it, stopping the network from being bent toward monetization. That’s a real thing.

      It’s easy to be jaded by BlueSky in particular because it effectively ate Mastodon’s lunch and got its attention, while not truly being federated or leading to any culture reset. And perhaps more importantly. BlueSky appealed I think to an aesthetic curiosity more than a philosophical purpose, so I think it gives people the wrong impression of what the fediverse is all about.

      I agree that Frendica sucks. For the longest time these alternatives were designed appallingly bad. Mastodon was the first case of non-stupid design, quickly followed by Lemmy, Pixelfed and Loops. An era of devs who know what they’re doing on the design side, at least to a much greater degree than before.

      • Soapbox@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4 hours

        we should separate “social media” from “attention media”

        That would be the dream for sure.

  • mr_anny@sopuli.xyz
    10 hours

    One thing that could combat big tech platforms would be one singular fediverse app with somewhat respective name to it.

    The problem for mass adoption is scattered ways to connect. People in general want thingsa simple. Like FB is FB every way you want to use it.

    Second thing would be to lure idols in fediverse and their flocs would follow.

    I saw the frustration in my wife’s face when I tried to get her in. I dropped reddit for Lemmy and therefore I use this app called Voyager and I connected it in sopuli.xyz. She was like excuse me what? Then I explained this is my way, you can have bunch of other apps and connect to other instances and you can read posts from other platforms too. She was like excuse me what? Aaaand then there is this Pixelfed, Mastodon, Friendica and and and… with apps these and these. Week after that she managed to install Voyager, connected it in some instance and read things. She still uses big tech platforms as “there’s no one here”.

    *eYou could be the one for precisely those masses that need it fucking simple. They have made their head dumber with algorithms.

    • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
      9 hours

      I tried to use Friendica a couple of times and could not figure it out. When I asked for help on Lemmy I was made fun of. I’m not unintelligent. I have not tried again.

  • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
    18 hours

    Mastodon, Lemmy and Pixelfed already exist. Why is no one talking about them?

    Because, unlike eYou, they don’t have €300K in seed capital. The fediverse has no marketing department and a €0 ad-spend budget.

      • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
        2 hours

        well yeah back then most sites didn’t have marketing like we do now

        and the only reason 4chan blew up was thanks to that fox news tv report that called it the “internet hate machine”

      • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7 hours

        4chan has good word of mouth: potty mouth.