Microsoft once tried to reduce Windows RAM usage by 20 percent but failed. Now Windows 11 may finally fix memory issues in 2026 updates.
  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.netEnglish
    2 hours

    Maybe they should try not writing OS code in react. Perhaps they should consider dedicating as many resources to cleaning up code as they do to adding “features.”

  • Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    4 hours

    I wish windows went down a different path. Instead they decided to double down on ads and ai, because shareholders are more important than the actual customers

    • maplesaga@lemmy.worldEnglish
      43 minutes

      Suckers keep using it, so what incentive is there for them to deslopify?

      I’d personally rather use a Chromebook than Windows.

  • alakey@piefed.socialEnglish
    6 hours

    Ironically the install ISO actually went up in size from roughly 5.5GB to 7.5GB in the recent months.

    • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
      5 hours

      All that tracking software is bloated.

      • adminofoz@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        2 hours

        Agreed but also have you tried to write a feature with LLMs? It will occasionally just add extra files that do the same thing as one library you already have.

        You can even catch it and it will be like oh your right then continue without deleting, so next prompt it decides to use its own library again.

        • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
          2 hours

          The trick is to tell it what to do and how to do it, not just talk to it like it knows what it’s doing.

          People get upset when it can’t complete features based on high level descriptions. They were told it could, after all. “Build be a website that…” However, that will always lead to disaster.

          • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2 hours

            So you go from a legit Developer using their skills refining them day by day to a middle manager who’s just checking the work of the AI workers.

            • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
              1 hour

              This is the direction of things. On one hand, I’m not a full time developer anymore—after 23 years in the industry. On the other hand, I complete projects 100x faster and have more time for my cat.

              • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                1 hour

                But you as someone with the experience can spot the issues and problems when using the tool. That’s because of years of experience, all these newbies are going to be fucked without that experience.

                • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
                  1 hour

                  Agreed 100%. There is going to be a problem in the future where people like me are, well, dead. And junior developers never got the hands on experience to learn what I (should) know after so many years.

                  But, for now, I have to eat. And I no longer care to give my mental health to a project I am not getting an equal share of. So, I am very much enjoying what I can get done.

                  Humorously, even with near-unlimited power at my fingertips, I still struggle to find any personal projects worth doing. I’ve made a few arcade style phone games and some desktop apps for myself, which are all very nice. But AI cannot write a compelling game story, or design consistent artwork without significant head banging. Sure it can get the ball rolling, but there is always something hollow about it.

  • cenzorrll@piefed.caEnglish
    9 hours

    If it worked out, the idle Windows 11 RAM usage would’ve been around 4.8GB

    That’s still a lot

    • flameleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      Last time I booted up Windows 10 it was using around 2.4GB at idle

      So Windows 12’s RAM requirement is on track to being almost 10GB unless they cut it back by 20%?

    • Ludicrous0251@piefed.zipEnglish
      8 hours

      Considering 8GB systems are back in vogue, that’s a fuckload. More than half your ram just going to the computer existing.

      • maplesaga@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7 hours

        Well no, its doing more than just existing, its sending screen shots of your screen to Microsoft, displaying ads, updating advertising ID to allow them to track you across the web, uploading your typing history It all helps shareholders of microslop.

  • chahn.chris@piefed.socialEnglish
    9 hours

    All at a time where I think I’m actually going to switch to Linux.

    I just tried out an install on my laptop and boy does it work well even for gaming.

    Windows has, nothing I actually need any more?

    It feels really big to really leave Windows for good, but, I think it’s going to happen after a bit more testing of my Linux setup.

    • Haquer@lemmy.todayEnglish
      9 hours

      I told myself I’d give Win11 (using tools to uninstall all the bullshit/tracking) for 3-4 months before seriously considering linux. I made it 3 months, got tired of having to re-uninstall shit I don’t want every update and just flat out wiped the install and installed CachyOS. It’s been perfect, even new game releases like Death Stranding 2 worked out of the box, fuck windows.

    • tankplanker@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8 hours

      This is why its been announced now. With all the tracking Microsoft has in W11, including being able to track usage to an email account for most, they will have a good idea who has binned windows and who hasn’t.

      Its this volume of switching that has them worried enough to actually pretend to fix things. I say pretend as its fairly obvious what they need to remove to reduce the bloat on RAM but their business it tied to it now, like concrete over boots on a mafia snitch.

    • thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8 hours

      I have a back up SSD with windows on I swap out to play the very few games that still require it that I just can’t give up. But I don’t have the need to duel boot anymore. I just keep the SSD to scratch my itch

    • Rooster326@programming.devEnglish
      9 hours

      You say this as if you have been waiting for it?

      You, and I both, know they are going to ask Copilot “What can we eliminate in the code base”.

    • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nzEnglish
      7 hours

      Don’t use bazzite. Use Mint. Go for the easiest solution. You can get another drive and dual boot later.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
    12 hours

    Just tell your AI agents to reduce the RAM usage and install size by 20% and let them rip. How hard can it be?

  • SpikesOtherDog@ani.socialEnglish
    12 hours

    Windows 11 is not based on a single unified UI framework. Instead, it uses a mix of legacy Win32 components, UWP elements, modern WinUI layers, and web-based technologies like WebView2 and React.

    I am reading this as MMC snap-ins and control panel. There is no other alternative to manage these settings outside of PowerShell.

    Also, what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time? Sometimes I would like to be in Windows update, power settings, Ethernet settings, and printer settings all at once.

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 hours

      I hate how the settings app is taking over control panel entries to make them worse and show me the original control panel window after going down 3 levels because the stupid fucks can’t design UI for shit.

      Thankfully, you can still get to a lot of them if you know the name of the control panel applet.

        • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22 minutes

          Ncpa.cpl > right click > properties and go from there is my main method.

          Otherwise, Win+X > G (devmgmt.msc) and look at the network adapter in device manager

          Other than the win+x chord, that works on just about every version I have to touch

          • Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            9 minutes

            Oh I solved the issue by switching to Linux years ago lol. I just recently had this frustration happen at work

            • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4 minutes

              Heh, I’m a windows sysadmin, so I use them often enough to know it from memory. I’m almost entirely Linux at home these days as well

      • Haquer@lemmy.todayEnglish
        9 hours

        Fighting with their shitty “new” UI trying to find the old Sound UI to fix an issue that their new UI doesn’t even have a toggle for really chapped my ass.

        • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          35 minutes

          This bullshit right here is what finally pushed me over the edge and into the warm embrace of a penguin.

      • zurohki@aussie.zoneEnglish
        7 hours

        Apparently there’s a ton of CBT involved in doing anything in the new Settings app, so it makes sense to only bring over the things you absolutely have to and then send people to the old control panel for the rest.

        • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5 hours

          Vista to 7

          enshitification

          Lol, lmao even

          7 was better than vista in just about every way.

    • Rooster326@programming.devEnglish
      9 hours

      They decided it because there are so many duplicate Settings pages controlling the same thing.

      There are over 12 different places to change USB power save settings

    • sylver_dragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 hours

      Also, what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time?

      Microsoft engineers were worried that people missed the joys of MS-DOS and having only one application running at once. Next up, will be the return of base memory versus expanded memory versus extended memory. This ends when they devolve Windows to prove Bill Gates right that 640kB should be enough memory for anyone.

    • balian@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgEnglish
      10 hours

      what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time?

      Microsoft’s army of macbook-using UI “designers” who have to justify their salary so they make up shit nobody wants

  • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zipEnglish
    10 hours

    There’s some very aggressive autocorrect programs that seem to be bloating all their current software. They should start with taking those out.

  • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7 hours

    I forsee in the future Microsoft implementing a core electron service, one electron instance that is persistant and just runs, but sandboxes every app that calls it. so instead of an electron instance per app, its just an electron instance that has sandboxed pages that are only managable by the parent process.

    it would still be pretty bloaty but, since core structure should only be present in the parent process, hopefully it would be less bloaty

  • balian@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgEnglish
    10 hours

    Obvious course of events considering how the commodity PC market is essentially cut off from RAM supply for an indeterminate number of years with no respite in sight. Memory isn’t cheap anymore, and if they kept making Windows 11 as they used to it won’t be long before PCs in the market are simply left unable to run the OS at all.

  • bacon_pdp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12 hours

    They already know that the solution exists in their Windows for Legacy PCs but they don’t care about it and will waste their time and money going in a loop.

    That is why they needed outside help to get Windows for Legacy PCs to hit their memory target

    • balian@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgEnglish
      10 hours

      Windows for Legacy PCs

      Low-margin product with no feasible return over the costs it takes to build and maintain. Windows 11 meanwhile is the main advertising and cross-selling platform for Microsoft’s high-margin cloud and AI products. Little wonder they prefer one over the other.

    • Saitama@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      12 hours

      They have no choice but to do so in order to increase the user number of Windows 11. Since RAM prices are high, users will only be able to afford low-spec RAM once support for Windows 10 ends. Otherwise, they would not upgrade to Windows 11, but would instead switch to Linux or Mac, or stick with Windows 10.