10 minutesYeah! Kids shouldn’t have different rules than adults! Same rules for all ages!
Sincerely,
The Pedophiles
- Butterphinger@lemmy.zipEnglish21 minutes
All kids are anarchists until radicalized with capitalism.
However, it isn’t 2012 anymore and the kid of today has no real autonomy outside of forced, walled gardens. Most will never see a laptop that isn’t chained up.
To anyone saying kids will rebel and fix the issue themselves,… with what?
In our day, we had a PC in the house and freely available resources everywhere, and 3-4 years of World of Warcraft to introduce us to computers.
Hopefully only smart phones. I don’t care what the school says, my kid will have a flip phone or something so they can contact me and take pics and video. Like everyday a new grooming case comes out and they want less surveillance?
Sounds good, we should let kids drink and smoke pot then right. You can drive a car at any age, any age person can buy cigarettes. No more age restrictions on games and movies…
Staff at schools are adults, many of which are responsible for the lives of other living humans. The critics must all have the maturity of school children.
- NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zipEnglish1 hour
I said this before: I know schools that do not have cell phone bans yet the students simply don’t use them. Its called engagement and respect, and teaching kids appropriate use.
I think considering laws like this says more about a broken education system (or lack of parenting) than a cell phone problem.
- zebidiah@lemmy.caEnglish1 hour
Don’t be silly, we simply need to ban phones for adults and we’d solve a BUNCH of other problems too…
- RagingRobot@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
I actually would argue this is a fair comparison though. Phones are for contact with others unlike the other things you mentioned they can also be very helpful in an emergency. A teacher will want to contact their family to let them know they are safe just the same as a student would. I think that’s where the real issue is. We have so many school shootings and parents want to be able to connect with their children in those situations. It may be distracting for learning but at the end of the day as a parent the school shootings are alarming and no one is doing anything about it and this makes it seem scarier from that perspective. No one is even addressing that part of it
As a parent I’d rather have my child not districted by a phone in an emergency. My child will be safest in those situations if the staff contact the authorities and the kids are focused on following their instructions. In both situations, phone or no phone, there’s nothing I can do until the situation is over.
Edit: and using the threat of school shootings yo ruin school for most children when so few schools will ever be in that situation is absurd. Those parents should put more of their energy into gun control and thr availability and affordability of mental health treatment.
- RagingRobot@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
Yeah the authorities in texas showed how great of a job they do right?
It’s not the threat of a shooting that’s ruining it it’s the actual shootings dude
- 2 hours
You sound like you think people have significant ‘control’ over ‘kids’ buying and consuming cannabis, alcohol, and cigarettes, etc. … Kids already consume cannabis and alcohol and cigarettes etc. even though you pretend you ‘don’t let them’ (threaten them) and harrass them. Prohibition from alcohol to cannabis, for example, has not reduced consumption, but rather reduced supply, increased prices, and decreased quality. Repression tells consumers you hide value on the other side of your unilateral decree. On the other hand, instead of a facsist authoritarian totalitarian approach of repression, in comparison, an approach with education, legalization and decriminalization has reduced prevalence of consumption of drugs, including amongst kids; for example, Portugal has decriminalized all drugs (in ~2001); they offer drug consumers education and treatment instead of incarceration and difficult to verify products from difficult to verify producers and sellers in dark places. But the big billionaire homicidal dealers (Merck, Pfizer, United Health Care, etc.) have a lot of monetary incentive of polluting media messaging with muddy murky moral panics like the ones you just put your discursive hands in today. That being said, kids should indeed get education on things like the importance of paying attention in lectures, doing their homework on schedule, secure use of technology, blockading attempts of the feudalist advertising industry of manipulating their opinions, blockading big tech from literally spying on them and selling their opinions and bodies left and right, etc. Fun fact: that problem (cell phone use in course rooms where course work (e.g. lectures and note writing) should occur) has also been having widespread occurence among ‘adult’ students in university courses.
I’m sorry, is there a massive problem of adult teachers and staff at school being constantly glued to and distracted by their phones such that it prevents them from teaching and doing what they are otherwise there to do?
No?
… Maybe the critics can ask ChatGPT what a false equivalence is.
We had early smart phones back I was in high school.
We also had this rule.
Its fine.
If its not fine, you have an addiction problem, and should seek help.
- Randelung@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
Sure, we give the kids alcohol, let them drive, let them vote- wait we don’t!? What do you mean there’s always been these kinds of differences!?
- Miller@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
I wonder if some of those critics are by an odd coincidence funded by phone related entities.
- limonfiesta@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
I couldn’t agree more.
It’s high time we stop discriminating against elementary school aged kids. There’s no good reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to drive themselves to school, or to their after school job.
Stop ageism and enable independent transportation and employment for all ages!
- DagwoodIII@piefed.socialEnglish5 hours
There’s nothing new about children and adults being treated differently.
- 1 hour
Their brains are literally not fully developed. Some facets of life they’re literally ill-equipped to handle and policies should reflect that.
- DagwoodIII@piefed.socialEnglish36 minutes
If you’re a teenager reading this, consider.
There are a few adults who are saying that teens should have unrestricted access to the internet.
Look and you’ll see that most of them are getting money from you being on the net.
Yes, we have different rules for kids and adults. Does anyone want to argue that we shouldn’t? Really? Let’s hear it.
I take it the argument that kids need their phones to be safe at school has been completely debunked? Otherwise, they’d use that one, like parents have since this whole fiasco started.
To anyone old enough to remember when schools didn’t allow personal phones, because they didn’t exist, the idea that they should be allowed is ludicrous. Same for allowing food, or chit-chat, or kids to get up and wander around the class during instruction, or all the other stupid shit that goes on now in schools, from what I’ve read.
- rafoix@lemmy.zipEnglish6 hours
It’s not about role modeling. It’s about learning and attention spans.
With that in mind, take them from the adults too lol. I know some adults who are chronically online
- rafoix@lemmy.zipEnglish3 hours
The adults already have a job. They’re fine.
The students can’t even read anymore because they’re dumb as rocks.
- Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.worksEnglish4 hours
If the kids don’t have their phone how will they broadcast the next school shooting to their followers or ask ChatGPT what the best hiding spot is nearby?
- akilou@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 hours
Adults are more responsible than children. Responsibility comes with privileges.
- U7826391786239@piefed.zipEnglish2 hours
Adults are more responsible than children. Responsibility comes with privileges.
uhhh you must not be in the states…
- CanIFishHere@lemmy.caEnglish4 hours
You mean the kids will habe to interact at lunch time? This will be a net benefit to them.
- rozodru@piefed.worldEnglish6 hours
sooooo apply the same rules to the adults? here’s my old man yells at cloud moment but you don’t need your cell phone in school. I got through my entire schooling without one, teachers didn’t have one. if there was an emergency or you needed to make a call well that’s what the front office was for.
I mean hell in high school kids just had pagers and if a teacher caught you looking at it during class they’d just take it away.
- anomalousvandal@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
Things can literally go back to this with zero negative consequences. The only parents that are upset about this are the ones with deeply co-dependent relationships with their kids. My wife is a teacher and when her school briefly had kids put their phones in pouches, a lot of her students told her they felt relief from feeling like they have to check their phone constantly. This ban will help with teacher burnout too. Teachers spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to get their students to put their phones away. It should have been put into law years ago. Also, the teachers don’t have time to check their phone during class, so the comment about role modeling is complete bullshit.
- NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zipEnglish56 minutes
a lot of her students told her they felt relief from feeling like they have to check their phone constantly.
There is something deeply messed up about this. I see people do that and I cannot understand it at all. Or getting a text, like it will be there an hour from now or even tomorrow when I get around to reading it.
I bring this up because just today I saw people trying to teach seniors (over 55 years old) how to let go checking on their phones all the time.
Seems like a human condition problem, so how do we help people learn not to feel this way?
Also: I know some schools that allow cell phones, they are just another tool after all. The kids don’t really use them much because they are expected to be present for class, not wasting time on the phone. It helps A LOT that their class sizes range from 8 to 12 kids. Partnering kids with each other, and constant engagement during class seams to really help.
