- W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 hours
“There was a problem loading the page…”
Yeah; I won’t allow your shitty advertising. That’s the real provlem.
2 hoursCould you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.
How about we let the users decide if they want to keep the default or not? These fucking companies are always using the privacy and security cqrd to push their walls and get full control of the devices we buy. And, of course, fucking media companies just serve as speakers for them.
- nightlily@leminal.spaceEnglish2 hours
Right? The framing on this is diabolical - like I trust big American tech companies with that kind of access anymore than anyone else? I don’t want any of them giving an LLM access to my info.
Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant?
I don’t see the point here. Assistants are inherently untrustworthy. They are unreliable, and can be taken over vy hostile actors. Or, from Apples perspective, by the user.
You can’t let users jailbreak their phones using siri prompt injection, and you can’t let siri perform any system actions or exfiltrate data without confirmations because it could go rogue or be taken over by some prompt smuggled into it by a hostile actor.
If you have to safeguard it anyway, and it is untrustworthx anyway, you already have to make it withstand everything an untrustworthy 3rd party implementation could do.- ravelin@slrpnk.netEnglish6 hours
Could you imagine if a rogue actor got into the system-level of your iPhone, disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.
What is AI if not a rogue actor? Seems to me like Europe not getting Siri AI is Apple threatening them with a good time.
- Elvith Ma'for@feddit.orgEnglish11 hours
Never mind the privacy implications. Could you imagine if a
rogue actorUS tech giant like Apple or Google got into the system-level of your phone,disguised as an AI assistant? That would be a huge headache and nightmare.Wait…
- favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish3 hours
I kinda get Apple’s point though. They designed the AI cloud to be super private. Letting customers use other models invites abuse of their data. You know there are advertisers and sketchy data brokers lining up to have all your contacts, calendar, to dos, notes, photos, and other personal information sent to their servers and the media will sharpen their knives to blame Apple when abuse occurs, even if they did it to appease the EU.
- favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish2 hours
Did you learn about their architecture or are you just talking about things you don’t understand?
They designed the AI cloud to be super private.
HA! This is gold, I can not think of two words put together that implies less privacy. Well maybe “fucking stage”.
- 40 minutes
do I trust their words? do I trust their security? do I trust their competency? why would I trust them over any other 3rd party that would actively need to compete to provide a better service if Apple complied with the DMA?
Apple has no right to imposed their own monopoly on the markets that their products create, vertical integration is a disgrace and harmful
- encelado748@feddit.orgEnglish1 hour
User that grant access to their private data to third party would blame Apple? Why? I blame Apple because they think they are better at deciding what to do with my data than me. Why is Apple AI more trustworthy with my data then Mistral AI? This is just anti-consumer monopoly enforcement disguised as care for the users. They do not care about the users, they care about controlling their ecosystem.
The last paragraph feel more like the authors opinion, which is a bit weird on an Android website.
I agree with the EU on this one though, I hate walled gardens and the EU is doing good work.
- 15 hours
https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/09/eu-says-decision-not-to-launch-siri-ai-in-europe-is-apples/
There you go. I saw it on MacRumors yesterday. It’s weird to see Apple stuff on an Android site, but Android Police used to review iPhones when they came out. They’d give them an honest try. Reviews even varied from “decent phone but I loved going back to Android” to “I could use this and be happy but I still prefer Android.” I think they gave them a fair shake.
blaming regulators for
refusing to engage constructively on proposed solutionswanting them to follow the law when they don’t want to.There, I fixed it.
- 14 hours
The comments on that post are crazy delusional. How do you end up so far in a corporations pocket?
And they all go quite when Apple politely obliges to whatever China demands from them. That site is the definition of toxic-fanboyism. So many commenters their blindly believe every declaration Apple makes.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish10 hours
There’s one comment in there lamenting the lack of innovation from the EU. You know the continent that contains CERN. Yep ain’t no innovation going on over here, it’s amazing we even got internal plumbing.
But then again Americans aren’t the smartest tools in the shed.
What does China do?
China smartphone companies just install their own ai providers I suspect.Edit. Oh .
Apple unveiled a dramatically improved Siri at WWDC 2026, but quietly confirmed that EU and China users won’t be getting it with iOS 27.
Lmao. Apple Loosers. Fucking incompetent cunts.
- reddig33@lemmy.worldEnglish14 hours
Here is Apple’s statement. They designed an API called “Trusted System Agent “ but the EU rejected it.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-delayed-in-eu-for-ios-27-and-ipados-27/
- encelado748@feddit.orgEnglish1 hour
This statement tells more about Apple than about EU. What DMA says is that third party API access must be on the same level as first party API access.
Apple would have to give any virtual assistant direct access to users’ private data — and the ability to directly control other installed applications
This simply means that Siri AI has direct access to users private data and the ability to directly control other installed applications.
the DMA requires Apple to give any AI system nearly unlimited access to a user’s device, as well as the ability to act on that access autonomously without a user’s ongoing visibility and control. That includes the ability to read and send messages, make purchases, access files, and execute actions across any app.
This is what Siri AI is doing.
The EU rejected Apple decision to not follow the law by giving Siri AI privileged access to users private data and apps while preventing others to do the same.
- reddig33@lemmy.worldEnglish20 minutes
True. It will be interesting to see if Apple:
- continues to work on the API
- releases the API in other regions (like North America)
- eventually moves their own AI to this API (eating their own dog food)
I think Apple got caught in a hard place where they had to start over and get things up and running quickly to head off any lawsuits about not meeting advertised promises about “new Siri”. Their first try didn’t work in iOS 26. They were aiming for 15 to 18 months to get the API working/tested. Let’s see what happens in another year or two.
Also Apple won’t be the only one in this predicament. WhatsApp is already having the same problems with DMA.
- ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
Well, they at least rejected letting Apple release without “Trusted System Agent” and a pinky promise it would be implemented in a year and a half…
- emmy5482@quokk.auEnglish10 hours
“Designed” but did not implement. Pretty much says everything you’d need to know.
- melsaskca@lemmy.caEnglish13 hours
Apple? The company who fucked with their users/customers phone batteries from afar so they would have to purchase new products? That Apple?
- dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.caEnglish7 hours
That’s not actually what happened. It’s kind of the opposite actually.
- Cort@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
No it’s not. Apple failed to take battery degradation into account when designing their product, then tried to hide it surreptitiously while gaslighting their users.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish10 hours
I’m constantly being told by Apple fanboys that Apple is the only pro consumer silicon valley company in operation.
- melsaskca@lemmy.caEnglish8 hours
Whether Apple fan boy or a Maga representative, they both have an agenda that is a bit far from the truth.
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish14 hours
Unclear what Apple could even do here.
The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn’t much of an option. It makes no sense.
- encelado748@feddit.orgEnglish56 minutes
Siri AI has privileged access to all your private data and apps. The EU force Apple to give the same access Siri AI has to third party. Current Siri AI access is unsafe, therefore third party will be unsafe. Apple just need to design a safe environment for both Siri AI and third party. Apple is the politician saying: we do not need body cams, the government hired the policemen, and the policemen are on the side of the law.
Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
MacOS doesn’t fall under the same DMA requirements, so that’s why it still gets Siri AI in the EU.
I’ve been wondering if this would be more dangerous than installing random apps. It might be. But they don’t let people install just anything on iPhones. “Proper” computers are traditionally more open.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish9 hours
Oh come on. That’s a pathetic attempt at fanboying.
My God that was an incredibly whiny article I’m upset that I have to read that. Here’s the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.
Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.
So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.
If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I’m sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I’m sure the EU told Apple.
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented.
So you’re agreeing with me?
- Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.
People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
What risk?
That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.
We’ll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.
- Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
Your comprehension skills are dogshit. The EU is moving to break down walled gardens…which is why Apple cant put Siri on the market here. In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.
More security does not necessitate closing ranks. What risk being a question is something you clearly misunderstood on every level.
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.
As I wrote, it makes no sense.
- Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish1 hour
Your asertion makes no sense because it isnt based in reality.
You ae failing to grasp that I am saying both canr be true. You are also not making the case that both are, rather laying blame for both without understanding either.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish9 hours
The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they’ve also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they’re also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.
There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.
- Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can’t deal.
If you are “at risk”, you probably shouldn’t be near a computer or the internet.
- General_Effort@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
Sheesh. I don’t agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don’t see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple’s Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.
- Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can’t install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can’t have anything encrypted for your security.
Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.
As if they couldn’t just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.
- glockenspiel@lemmy.worldEnglish11 hours
EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.
- ITGuyLevi@programming.devEnglish4 hours
Unless I misread it, they are denying the security theater approach and insisting that if it’s rolled out, it must include the safeguards, not just saying they promise to have them ready in the next 18 months. Meanwhile other countries seem to be okay with implementing this before the safeguards are in place.
I’ll just patiently wait for the next wave of 0days exploiting it.
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish9 hours
You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It’s not a government, they don’t have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don’t have citizens because they’re not a government.
- 14 hours
Everyone here sucks, or whatever the term is in the “Am I the asshole?” threads when everyone is in the wrong.
Apple knows what the EU regulations are and as a company that wants to do business in the bloc, they have to abide by their rules. Also, China and the Middle East are stricter and Apple happily kowtows to them. And of course Apple bends over for the US regime as well. So what’s different about doing it for the EU?
On the other hand, there’s a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU. The EU is where innovation goes to die. Like the US, it’s tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech. EU does fight for their citizens, but the fact remains that the EU is also hurting its citizens here. Apple doesn’t have to play ball, they can take their ball and go home, and still sell a lesser product to the EU for the same money. Apple is not going to take a loss here. Only people losing will be those living in the EU.
Apple says the EU wanted too much of your personal data. The EU didn’t respond to that. All they really said was “Apple wanted a blanket exception and that is not an option.” Apple still gets to wear its privacy hat, and the EU look like arseholes.
Also, I didn’t read Apple’s message as “blaming the EU.” It was more that they just said due to the way things are over there, Siri AI will not be available there. Sure, they chose their words carefully, but my read on it was “it is what it is,” not “it’s all their fault.” More of an “agree to disagree” kind of thing. Like “they want X, we want Z, we tried Y for a while but they won’t budge and honestly we don’t want to either, so this is what happens next.” Now the citizens of the EU can just roll over and take it, or they can contact the EU leadership and whatnot and tell them they want less regulation. Who knows.
- Pringles@sopuli.xyzEnglish10 hours
The EU is where innovation goes to die.
This is such bullshit. There are three principle reasons why the EU does not grow as many tech giants: 1. Venture capital is hard to cone by in the EU, 2. The language barriers and 3. The not-quite-finished-single market, with many countries not aligning their laws to the EU framework. 1 and 3 are actively being addressed and 2 is a disappearing issue as the younger generations aee all fluent in English.
To your point however, innovation has always been one of the strong suits of the European continent, much more so than monetization which is not a synonym.
- Franconian_Nomad@feddit.orgEnglish14 hours
I think there are major companies operating out of the EU. Airbus for example. And I’m sure there are more….
- Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish9 hours
On the other hand, there’s a reason there are no major companies operating out of the EU.
Yeah who’s ever heard of Audi, niche car company that they are.
There’s also that big particle accelerator who do you think paid for that? Private equity?
Like the US, it’s tech rules made by people who neither understand nor love tech.
So if this were true the US would also be the land where innovation goes to die. Which actually on that point there are plenty of scientists that are leaving the United States because of its almost fearful attitude to intelligence.
