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1 year into navidrome with dilligent tagging and rating, and this is how someone has the perfect theme song when they walk into a room, every SINGLE time.

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1 year into navidrome with dilligent tagging and rating, and this is how someone has the perfect theme song when they walk into a room, everytime.

cross-posted from: https://piefed.zeromedia.vip/c/selfhosting/p/451238/1-year-into-navidrome-with-dilligent-tagging-and-rating-and-this-is-how-someone

forgive the tyos, english is absolutely my first language but we strugglin over here, ya feel? or, take it as confirmation this ain’t some damn clanker bullshit

It’s just like holy shit! this is what I’ve wanted my music to do my whole life! This is almost just another member of the family.

Feishin and the smart playlists really really shine when adding user ratings into the mix. plus, adding a “mood” tag and then being able to use our own terms, it is incredible.

Build a custom station with the tags you want, then add “not played in the last <blank> days” (depending on how much traffic/supply of that particular kind of music gets) and it keeps it fresh. Add in “rating is not 1” and you’ll see the stuff that hasn’t been rated yet, but it won’t even let 1 start tracks into the queue!

I have rediscovered old favorites, found new songs by classic artists, have perfectly curated playlists down to the nth degree, custom stations that show me exactly what i want before i even knew i wanted to listen to that right then, all without commercials, on every device i own.

i am pumped for the future of the open subsonic API’s! I think a skipped count could be awesome. I’d like to automate some stuff based off skip counts.

the navidrome plugins are getting some inertia, i am excited to see where that goes.

Other Navidrome/opensubsonic users, how do you guys use the 5 stars? for me it is

  • 5 amazing song, not only will i 99% of the time never skip it, i will try to get everyone’s attention and have them listen
  • 4 i really like this song and have stopped what i am doing to pay attention to it, it is not likely but may get skipped depending on the mood/genre desired at that time
  • 3 - this song is good and i notice it and smile while continuing doing my thing, unless it is the wrong mood/genre (can i blast it while working?), which means it gets skipped.
  • 2 - this song is unobtrusive and doesn’t appear to bother or inspire me.
  • 1 this song catches my attention due to disliking it. I will go out of my way to stop it from playing. i set up my stations to never call for those again.

I am looking for other ways to interface with this to be able to rate songs a little easier/safer (while driving?)

I am hopeful i will have the wiggle room to donate to navidrome, feishin, snapcast, mopidy, spindle, soon!!!

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    • Noggog@programming.devEnglish
      50 minutes

      Star ratings and smart playlists! Oh my! I love this stuff. Im currently using plex, which allows for half stars since im a masochist

      I dont know that I need the full ten options, but 5 wasn’t quite enough for me. If there was like 7 star system id do that, hah.

      • 0.5 - I would delete if other people weren’t listening to the library. Never play again
      • 1 - on my shitlist. Unless something changes, will probably go to 0.5 stars the next time I hear it.
      • 1.5 to 2 - Not opposed, but forgettable or slightly not my style
      • 2.5 - average content. Not memorable but fine
      • 3 - solid content, still not memorable
      • 3.5 - the good stuff. I’ll put it on a solo car ride and generally not skip
      • 4 - Amazing songs. If I was to put a Playlist on for other people and not worry about it
      • 4.5 - Favorite songs. Maybe a fault or two but will still stay with me for a lifetime
      • 5 - Id play these for anyone without hesitation and then look at them and say “was that not perfection?!”

      For smart playlists:

      • playlists by star rating
        • alts for excluding facemelting stuff to play in public
      • Car ride - 3.5 stars and up + havent heard in a month
      • “Frontier” playlist. Only play things i havent heard in a year that aren’t 0.5 stars

      I generally listen to my frontier Playlist and try to rate as I go. Other playlists for when im listening but busy and just want the good stuff.

      I havent found a good way to tag on the go, unfortunately. Maybe someday

      • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
        4 hours

        It is easiest with Feishin , I call it a “station” but it is really just a dynamic playlist, which navidrome calls “Smart Playlists”

        but if you add some rules in like not pulling in a song that has been played in <x> amount of days, it keeps it relatively fresh!
        here is a copy of the file it makes for my 90s station:

          "all": [  
    {  
      "notInTheLast": {  
        "lastplayed": "5"  
      }  
    },  
    {  
      "inTheRange": {  
        "recordingdate": [  
          "1990-01-01",  
          "1999-12-31"  
        ]  
      }  
    },  
    {  
      "isNot": {  
        "rating": 1  
      }  
    },  
    {  
      "notContains": {  
        "artist": "slipknot"  
      }  
    },  
    {  
      "notContains": {  
        "artist": "flaming lips"  
      }  
    },  
    {  
      "any": [  
        {  
          "contains": {  
            "genre": "alternative"  
          }  
        },  
        {  
          "is": {  
            "genre": "pop"  
          }  
        }  
      ]  
    }  
  ],  
  "limit": 100,  
  "sort": "+random"  
}
        • westingham@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2 hours

          I don’t see an option in either Feishin or Navidrome for smart playlists. Where/how are you creating these playlists?

          • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
            2 hours

            when creating a new playlist from scratch, it has a little toggle

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            then in the playlist, it has a Query editor at the bottom

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            which this is a GUI that helps build the file with the extension that navidrome likes, ending up looking like this:

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            so i suppose we could just start writing files like this?

            • westingham@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2 minutes

              I only have the Public toggle, the Smart Playlist toggle isn’t there for me. Using Feishin 1.13.0

    • ObsidianZed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14 hours

      I tried Navidrome as well as Jellyfin, but I just struggled with the bare minimum QoL enhancements that I’ve been spoiled by, like being able to have playlists and liked songs and also be able to download and see all of that on my phone while offline. It may have just been the (android) client apps I was trying, but please someone prove me wrong.

      Honestly, I would probably be better off just buying a cheap generic mp3 player with a microSD card slot.

      • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13 hours

        Symphonium and Tempest are both android clients that support Navidrome and all the features you mentioned (if I’m reading your comment correctly)

        • JimmyChezPants 🇨🇦@growers.social
          3 hours

          @Joelk111 @ObsidianZed Symfonium supports Jellyfin as its media source as well, along with just about every other non-streaming-service option you can imagine. I have a copy, it does track mixes that please my ears, just about everything I need anyways.

        • ObsidianZed@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11 hours

          I tried Tempo previously and something did not work as expected. It looks like this is a fork so I’ll check it out.

          I also remember downloading Symfonium and realized it was only a free trial so I admittedly never gave it a chance. Maybe I’ll test it out. I’m just not crazy about the idea of paying for it.

          • ArchEngel@lemmy.caEnglish
            6 hours

            Symfonium is worth paying for, coming from a dude who had paid for like 10 apps ever.

            • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
              3 hours

              i agree with this! I paid for symfonium, but it is tied to g00g play, so its a little bit of a hassle every time i need to move phones or reinstall gOS

              • duckwingthegoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3 hours

                Getting ready to remove play services entirely over here but not sure how to keep symphonium, do you use play services or are you somehow side loading?

                • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
                  3 hours

                  the dude that made it has a kofi, you can pay him and message him on that and he will send a code

                  i just grab it from aurora

                  Once i got mopidy working with navidrome and snapcast, symfonium just wasn’t quite worth dealing with the hassle

          • kureta@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6 hours

            Iaam using Tempus, which probably is another fork, and I am really satisfied with it.

    • non_burglar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17 hours

      I don’t use the ratings, but I’ll “heart” songs I like.

      I scrobble my playing from navidrome using listenbrainz and tell my two clients Tempus and Feishin to use the scrobbled data to build dynamic playlists. If I start with a particular song or album, the mix following that is usually kept in the same mood, only strays into weird stuff once in a while, but no more that YouTube Music used to.

      • Deckname@feddit.orgEnglish
        14 hours

        How can i build dynamic playlists based on my listenbrainz data in tempus and feishin? That sounds awesome, but i didn’t find anything towards this goal yet!

      • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
        17 hours

        i do love the listenbrainz scrobbling, the playlist generator is awesome, but my weekly playlist keeps getting holiday music. meh

    • bootstrap@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21 hours

      I use Symfonium to do the same thing.

      My rating system is a bit loosey goosey because its hard and tedious to catagorise music into more that 5 levels. Its mostly defined by how much/often I would listen to a song because that seems like a good base line.

      Songs sonetimes get upgraded / downgraded on the fly and then siphon in / out to the respective playlists.

      • 5 star: high energy, 99% wont skip, will listen to hundreds of times again
      • 4 star: any energy just a good song, will listen to many times again
      • 3 star: indifferent, might be a hit on the right day in the right mood, wouldnt listen to more than once a week
      • 2 star: not for me, can understand why others might like it, wont make it in to any of my playlists
      • 1 star: absolutely fucking not, mark for deletion (hyper commercial pop like the overplayed shit through the 2010s mostly fills this category)
      • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
        21 hours

        you get it! this is my train of thought pretty much!

        how likely am i to get off my ass and skip it based on the mood im in.

        Depending on how deep the HDD shortage goes, i suppose I’d consider deleting songs based on the rating

        • bootstrap@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          16 hours

          Put it this way, Im not deleting songs that I dont like that are part of good albums.

          I dont have any 1 star songs currently and barely any 2 stars because I just dont download those artists

    • djdarren@piefed.socialEnglish
      22 hours

      This puts me in mind of the smart playlists I built in iTunes. Several playlists of 3/4/5* tunes, plus a few other rules to bring lesser played tunes to the surface. These all fed in to one bigger 50 track playlist that would pick something like 30% of its tracks from 5*, 25% from 4*, 20% from 3*, then make up the rest with the other stuff. Oh, and it would filter out any track that wasn’t 5* that had been played in the last two weeks.

      Then, when I was rocking my iPod, if I was digging something that wasn’t rated, I could spin up a rating and it’d get shifted to the corresponding list ready to drop into the pool for future enjoyment.

      It was properly great.

      I guess you can still do it with Apple Music, but it’s not as much fun when your library is thousands of songs you added and never listened to again.

      Anyway, I’m going to see if I can recreate it with Navidrome. I’ve got 14k tracks in there and a willingness to listen to them all.

      • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22 hours

        Kick it man. Navidrome + Feishin + Substreamer (or equal) rocks. If you have duplicates, I used czkawka to de-dupe. I was able to clear a fair amount that had accumulated over the years. It can distinguish two songs of the same title, but different renditions.

      • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
        22 hours

        this is exactly it!! the query terms are there to rig up hardly ever needing do anything but choose a playlist at the beginning of the day/week.

        If we could get the skip track metrics in, we could even start curating the flow of the playlists ( 5 skips of tracks with the genre containing “metal” will call a calmer playlist?)

        Oh, and it would filter out any track that wasn’t 5 that had been played in the last two weeks.

        and yes!! the date last played letting me have not in the last ___ is so useful!

    • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      Other Navidrome/opensubsonic users, how do you guys use the 5 stars? for me it is

      People often ask me ‘What’s your favorite song?’ or ‘Who is your favorite guitarist?’ to which I reply ‘All of them.’ I’ve been playing, creating, and listening to music since the age of 5 when my uncle showed me 3 simple cords. It lit a fire in me that is burning to this day. I do have genre specific playlists, but a lot of times I just put the whole lot on random/no repeat and enjoy Opera one minute and Heavy Metal the next, with some Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B, Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Rock, thrown in the mix. I truly love music and my tastes are quite expansive and eclectic. There are some songs that do have deep meaning to me tho. However, if I were to utilize the 5 star system, they would all be 5 stars. LOL Recently, I managed to have a script pick a random song from a playlist, and display it in the Linux MOTD, to remind me of songs I may not have heard in a while, when I administer the server.

      • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vipEnglish
        1 day

        i totally get what you mean but heck,

        some songs popping up might make me cry or get too pumped-up for what i am doing. ive always been easily moved by music and have to be careful, especially during work hours, if i am talking to a lot of people that day.

        when i am in the mood you’re describing, that is when i throw on my “Absolute Bangers” playlist

        the only search query is rating being 4-5, regardless of genre!

        between the ratings, genre, and moods, i can curate a vibe, letting me set the tone any activity

        • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1 day

          some songs popping up might make me cry or get too pumped-up for what i am doing. ive always been easily moved by music and have to be careful, especially during work hours, if i am talking to a lot of people that day.

          Totally understandable. Music is the window to the soul, and everyone’s window has a different view. By this, I guess I live in a glass house. Music is power, it moves, motivates, evokes emotion.

    • WuxinGoat@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1 day

      I use a combo of navidrome and feishin too, and i am also very very happy.

      I tried out all the web players i could find and found feishin to be the best, mostly for it’s ability to multi select stuff in the queue easily and carry out various operations.

      I’m really happy with this setup too, i don’t use all that funky playlist stuff but it does sound cool and i should have a play. I never got into the spotify way of music so i never really was looking to replace that way. I only really listen to full albums (apart from dance music when i prefer dj created sets/mixes or occasionally playlists by genre). I do make sure i have my genre tag setup right so i can browse by genre as i generally know which genre i want (genres correlate with moods for me) if not exactly which album/band i want to listen to. Only expection to all this is i have a self created genre called Friday Music which is just quite high energy across genre ‘yeeaaa work is basically done’ music. And if i don’t know what to listen to i go for a little silence cos i sure do listen to a lot of music :)

      I keep a playlist of albums which are ‘to listen to’ when it occurs to me i should listen to X again but won’t right at that moment, then i build my actual queue from there for the day, but i have noticed feishin has started saving your queue which is really cool, still i don’t like my queue too full and there are generally 10 albums or so on my to listen to list, so i’ll probably keep this playlist separate.

      I have been trying to get into favoriting tracks but i’ve only managed a few so far and it’s not really taken off for me.