Cape Coral, Florida is looking at a proposal to strap AI-powered cameras onto its garbage trucks. As the trucks roll their normal routes, the cameras would scan yards and house fronts for code violati...
  • No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 hours

    LLM Alliteration detected :

    “That’s the announcement. It isn’t the story.”

    Why can’t you all MFs just write a piece without these, like typed by your own hands. Also is about an Ai surveillance piece.

  • __init__@programming.devEnglish
    6 hours

    Our garbage trucks already have been for years… I learned that when I got an “overloaded bin” fine, with a video of my neighbor’s bin being dumped as “evidence.” I had to do a dispute and make them reverse it, not because I care about a dollar or whatever insignificant fine amount, but because, like… fuck off with that shit, you know?

    • Prathas@lemmy.zipEnglish
      34 minutes

      Yes, absolutely fight for principles if you have the time and energy to. That was messed up.

    • Canaconda@lemmy.caEnglish
      1 hour

      That’s enraging.

      I’d consider organizing a campaign to leave bricks/debris on the sides of roads on pickup days and throw their garbage on the front door step of whichever gov’t body made that decision.

      Where I am there is considerable legal precedent preventing surveillance like that.

  • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 hours

    Not to be that smug guy who drives old cars, but I can fairly safely gaurenteed my vehicles, from '84, '85, '93, '06, and '07 are not spying on me.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      I’ve said this in other threads, but you are gonna see the value of old shitboxes skyrocket as they will be the last haven of privacy on the road… Until they make it illegal to drive any vehicle that doesnt record you constantly via audio/video, require a breathalyzer to start, plus 2 blood samples, a piss sample, and a Semen sample/Cervical scraping before allowing you to turn the key and enter the roadway/

      • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2 hours

        Because I’m a gearhead and I like them.

        I would’ve hoped that was obvious… So, to be more specific, if that’s what you were asking:

        • '84 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale
          • This was my grandpa’s, so it has sentimental value.
          • No one preserved these, so it’s also super unique.
          • I’ve always loved the old land yachts, there’s nothing like driving a couch down the freeway.
        • '85 Honda Shadow VT500C
          • It’s a good little motorcycle. Reliable, cute, and slow enough that I’m less likely to kill myself on it.
        • '93 Subaru Loyale 4x4
          • This is probably the least rational, considering I own another station wagon, but I really like it. It’s easy to work on, super practical, fuel efficient, and comically slow. I take it offroading and camping often. It also isn’t worth much and doesn’t cost much to keep going.
        • '06 BMW Z4 3.0i
          • It’s a sports car. It’s fun, and probably one of the better deals in the category these days.
        • '07 Volvo XC70
          • I’ve converted this into an RV with an office, bed, and kitchen. I go on multi-week-long trips in it without needing to take time off of work.
          • It’s also been heavily modified by myself to be quite offroad capable.
          • My small community of viewers on YouTube also love this thing, so I can’t really sell it haha.

        I’ll also mention that all of these vehicles combined are worth like 10-15k, which is signifigantly less than if I owned a single “nice” vehicle, and I haven’t had to go into debt to own any of them.

        I’ll also also mention that, even as a gearhead, I generally agree with the fuck cars movement and whatnot. I want better public transit and such to get those that’d rather not be driving off the roads. Plus, driving in cities suck, I’m relieved to leave my car at home or a park ‘n’ ride and take transit into town. For how “free” America supposedly is, people sure don’t have the freedom to not own a car.

        That ended up being rather lengthy, but what’d you expect asking someone about their hobby…

        • Prathas@lemmy.zipEnglish
          33 minutes

          Wow, max $15k combined? Sounds like junkyard findings or something! You must be really handy, I take it.

  • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    11 hours

    …can yards and house fronts for code violations: overgrown grass, illegal dumping, peeling paint…

    I’m sure nobody’s going to get outrageous fines due to an AI’s false positives.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      I genuinely hope it does nothing but drown people in false positives, to the point where the people who put this idea forward have to leave the state under witness protection.

      • HerbGrower@slrpnk.netEnglish
        1 hour

        the people who put this idea forward have to leave the state under witness protection.

        A body bag would also be acceptable.

      • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3 hours

        Unfortunately, it’s probably just going to end up fucking a bunch of innocent people over, and the people who put the idea forward will take a nice vacation before returning to their life as normal.

        • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1 hour

          on an unrelated note, a pseudo-napalm is relatively easy to make with common everyday ingredients. You know, just for intellectual curiousity and nothing more.

  • sunbeam60@feddit.ukEnglish
    12 hours

    That’s the announcement. It isn’t the story.

    AI writing detected in an article about the evils of AI. It’s like rain on your wedding day.

    • alekwithak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      Sorry, I can’t continue or provide the next lyrics of a copyrighted song. If you’d like, I can summarize the song, explain the meaning of that line, or discuss why “rain on your wedding day” became such a famous example from Ironic.

      • trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        3 hours

        You’re not wrong but more to the point I was trying to make is that the actual technology existed around that time, we started to see people abuse it, we warned others, snowden dropped documents on the NSAs effort and large datacenters and not many people batted an eye.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    Of all places, the fucked up red run Florida Oblast. I thought the MAGA nutters were all about “freedom.”

    • Brewchin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23 hours

      Freedom (like free market, etc) means the freedom for corps to do whatever they want. The exact opposite of what Adam Smith meant.

      Classic Murica: redefine a specific term and claim it’s in line with the original definition. If you can’t beat the facts, play with the terms behind those facts. Win!

  • Professorozone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23 hours

    I guess they won’t be satisfied until we are all wearing mechanical suits that will prevent us from doing anything “illegal!”

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      15 hours

      or have cameras in your own house monitoring your every move. like that dropout/collegehumor skit, where republicans have cameras in every move to monitor as a “thought” police.

      • MasterBlaster@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 hours

        you already have that: your TV, your tablet, your securiy camera, your baby monitor, your doorbell, your neighbor’s doorell, your goddamn router from the ISP. your phone.

        the game ended when Elon Musk got Trump the votes he needed. there is no freedom any more. all we can do is resist until they disappear us.

      • Azal@pawb.socialEnglish
        11 hours

        Remember the stories about how wifi does a good job of telling where people are in the house? They might already be on that way.

        • CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8 hours

          I just put my wifi in a metal box. /s

          On a more serious note, how does one fight this? Will putting the router in a wooden or plastic box interfere? What about putting it outside the house but within range?

        • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
          11 hours

          That is just the start. Next: they want predictive AI to predict every aspect of your life.

          After that, they will figure out how to manipulate the WiFi, to control your behavior subtly.

          Then, comes make you do crimes, just to punish you for them.

          • 79WistfulVista@lemmy.worldEnglish
            19 minutes

            they will figure out how to manipulate the WiFi

            I don’t know where I am!

            Whovians will understand. Prescient? ;-)

          • mangobanana@discuss.onlineEnglish
            6 hours

            Yeah but they forget about us adhd people. We can’t even predict what we’re doing next.

  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comEnglish
    1 day

    So that they can get pictures of license plates tied to addresses to sell to repo companies so that the tow truck can come get your Hellcat.

    • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
      1 day

      Obviously the reader should confirm this for their own jurisdiction but there is no law against either removing or covering up your car’s plate(s) as long as you’re parked on your own private property. Just gotta remember to uncover them before you head out because that is illegal.

      Car covers are also an alternative if you’re a renter assuming you aren’t required to have a parking pass or plates visible for parking enforcement.

      • ThePantser@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1 day

        Anyone wanna build smart licence plate covers? Like it either rolls up or flips up to hide the plate.

        Maybe actually have it just flip down your plate when parked to obscure it. I would say power tinting to obscure it but technically its illegal to cover it most places.

        • toynbee@piefed.socialEnglish
          1 day

          “Smart” in this context wasn’t as much of a thing back then, but The Transporter had a similar option.

          • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            12 hours

            You could just use strong magnets and take your license plates with you like the olden days.

          • ThePantser@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1 day

            Interesting but I just meant flipping down not completely making it look like no plate. I would say tie it to the ignition/power button so when off it flips down or up depending on what is less obvious. Like some cars have a bump above the plate that would be less obvious going up meanwhile trucks have ledges or tow hitch that would make it less obvious flipping down.

            • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
              1 day

              It’s better a manual one, if a police officer stop you and they make you turn off the engine, you are now in trouble

      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1 day

        there is no law against either removing or covering up your car’s plate(s) as long as you’re parked on your own private property.

        Not inherently true- most places ban having “unregistered” vehicles on residential areas, and if they can’t see a plate when they’re looking to cause problems, they’re going to claim it’s unregistered and make it your problem.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          12 hours

          Ah my neighbor battles this every year lol, they have to prove the vehicle is actually functional. It becomes more of a battle then you would think if you have the will to fight them…

  • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
    1 day

    The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design. That’s how they roll. They only kick into action when somebody complains.

    Think of speeding tickets - how easy would it be for our roadside ALPR systems to time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you’re over the posted speed limit? Not hard at all, but that’s not how speeding tickets roll in this country (and most others, too.) If they really wanted total enforcement, your car already knows when you’re speeding, it can already wirelessly tattle on you to roadside monitors, they could effect 100% citation coverage if they wanted to, but whoever tries that is comitting political suicide.

    One of the reasons HOAs are such groaners is that the types of people who run for HOA president occasionally (not always) go in for this “100% enforcement” mentality and due to the utter apathy of HOA residents who can’t be bothered to depose their despot, they can persist in that mode for years. Last HOA I lived in had fearless leaders who “lived in the back” and hired an outside company to write upkeep violations, but only on houses in the front of the neighborhood.

    When I lived in a big city with a code enforcement department instead of an HOA system, things went along for decades without much flap, the occasional citation on the really persistently bad violators - as things are expected to work, but then some new neighbors moved in and attended the city-neighborhood meeting and started chanting “just enforce the law, JUST ENFORCE THE LAW” and, so, code inspectors were sent to walk the neighborhood by foot and write every violation they could see from the street. Our 400 houses got more violations written up in one day than the entire city of 40,000 homes received in the prior year.

    So, these systems that “observe 13,000 violations in a single week” need to chill out, turn the filters way way up and figure out what the 13 most important violations in the city are each MONTH and work with those property owners to get them fixed. Use the photo-scans to pre-screen citizen complaints, ensure that there’s even a problem worth sending an inspector for when the neighbor says “there’s been a junky car here up on blocks for the past 2 years and somebody needs to do something about it” the records can show whether that’s true, or a gross exaggeration before prioritizing which citizen calls get seen this week and which need to chill out and “wait their turn.”

    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
      10 hours

      I was looking at this, wondering what I asked Claude to get this, before realizing it is Lemmy.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 hours

      The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design.

      True, but once it’s automated, it can easily be archived for future reference. Then it’s in your file for who knows what future use.

      • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
        6 hours

        Abuse of those files is another problem. I’d say it’s a separate problem that’s possibly even more important to deal with, but it’s different from over-enforcement based on the stated purpose of the data collection.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      On the one hand, yes, fully enforcing these things would be gross overpolicing.

      On the other hand, the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

      The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

      • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
        1 day

        the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

        Absolutely, and this is another thing that’s going to prevent “fair” algorithmic enforcement from happening.

        The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

        I have always thought this, but I don’t get my jollies out of selectively “sticking it to” people different than me for the same things I get away with all the time. Apparently, a lot of our government, police, and voters do…

    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24 hours

      It is like work monitoring that can monitor every keystroke and trip to the bathroom. If you expect people to be 100% rule abiding, perfect and predictable I’ve got news for you. The people putting these systems into place would never stand for them being applied to them.

    • kungen@feddit.nuEnglish
      1 day

      time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you’re over the posted speed limit?

      Norway does this.

      • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
        1 day

        Norway does a lot of sensible things that seem impossible in the USA.

        • blitzen@lemmy.caEnglish
          1 day

          You’re not suggesting the automated mailing of speeding tickets based on average speed is reasonable, are you?

        • P1nkman@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1 day

          I’m Norwegian. Read in the news that there was a guy who used to set a timer and count the seconds when driving through a tunnel with average speed cameras so he wouldn’t get fined.

          Just keep the speed limit, you’d get there at the same time. Sometimes i wonder how these people even survive.

          • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
            1 day

            If it’s clearly posted, that’s fine - and appropriate in certain mountain pass situations.

            If it’s a surprise when the fine arrives in the mail, that’s pure unadulterated evil.

              • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
                6 hours

                Pop up fines - impediment to free travel - arbitrary tax collection. I mean, if you want to go back to Roman times where any government officials you happen to meet can just grab you by the shoulder and “collect taxes for the emperor” because you happen to be within reach - you can call that “not evil” if you like. I call it regression of civilization.

                • alternategait@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3 hours

                  And to clarify, we are talking about the automatic measurement of speed and issuance of speeding tickets?