The safety board confirmed Tesla's account of the crash, which the company shared days after it happened last month.
  • wasabi_noir@lemmy.zipEnglish
    5 hours

    I don’t trust anything that makes Tesla look innocent. This administration is too full of fucking shit and bending over backwards too far to tongue musks asshole already I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked to hear that NTSB is fully fucking compromised and corrupt as fuck.

  • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nzEnglish
    5 hours

    ‘The family of the victim has since sued the alleged driver.’

    Sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. You can’t be accused of driving. It’s not ‘alleged.’

    • vrek@programming.devEnglish
      5 hours

      It is though. Yes there was a driver, yes they maybe the driver but in a court you have to prove they were the driver. Yeah it might be as easy as “they were in driver seat of the accident scene”. But let’s say evidence is only they were seen on a traffic camera 15 minute earlier, well they could of swapped seats or they could of been dropped off somewhere. You nor I don’t know the answers to these questions and we shouldn’t speculate, it should be proven in court.

  • [deleted]@piefed.worldEnglish
    4 hours

    Full Self-Driving (Supervised)

    So not actually FULL anything and Tesla should be held accountable for creating safety issues due to false advertising.

    The driver is to blame for their actions, but not the only one to blame.

    • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4 hours

      the driver of a Tesla who crashed into a house in June had pressed the accelerator pedal to 100%, overriding the company’s Full Self-Driving (Supervised) software.

      Yes the naming convention is dumb but it wasn’t at fault here.

      • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3 hours

        Can we trust that pedal didn’t malfunction this time and was actually pressed?

        • kn33@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 hours

          Even if that was the case, the driver should’ve pressed the brakes which would’ve overrode the accelerator.

      • Pogogunner@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        7 hours

        I think it is very clear from what they wrote that they want Tesla’s advertising practices, such as calling their driver aids “Full Self-Driving” to stop, since it creates a false impression.

        • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          5 hours

          Ah, so just botching in general and not at all related to the article in someone died.

          If I want crass, I’ll go to Facebook.

      • [deleted]@piefed.worldEnglish
        4 hours

        Not at all and I have no idea how you got from ‘this name is misleading in a dangerous way’ to suggesting it work differently.

        • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3 hours

          No, I get it. You could resist the opportunity.

          I sure the victim and her family appreciates you guys using her death to drag Tesla despite being on a platform where almost everyone is in agreement.

      • blackbeans@lemmy.zipEnglish
        6 hours

        It’s more related to the term “Full Self Driving”. It implies that the car is it’s own driver and therefore, that you are a passenger. A driver needs to always have control, even if some passenger messes with the pedals because he fell asleep.

  • frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io
    6 hours

    Shouldn’t the so-called smart technology pick up on the fact that you are driving full speed into a house? Is that not an easy error to avoid?

    • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      It’s a skill issue on the driver’s part… or do you want the Tesla to come to a screeching halt on the highway every time the cameras white out from the sun?

      • frongt@lemmy.zipEnglish
        17 minutes

        I’d want it to not use sensors that get washed out by the sun. IR lidar, for example, instead of naive visible light cameras.

        • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
          28 minutes

          Autopilot will let a plane fly a heading, or even follow waypoints and land, but you the pilot still have to be watching the sky and the plane, ready to take over when something goes wrong. And airlines have way more stringent safety measures than cars.

          That means auto drive systems still require the meatsack to monitor the driving, ready to take over when something goes wrong.

          In this case, either the driver was hooning it and did a full send into the house, or he had a skill issue and put the brake accelerator to the floor in a panic moment.

    • Ava@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      5 hours

      I mean, I think the reasons that automated systems should allow for overrides by human operators should be pretty apparent.

    • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4 hours

      With how all cars are connected these days, we could easily throttle them using GPS data depending on the road you’re on. I don’t really get why cars can even go so fast in general, max should be twenty over the highway limit.

      Nobody really wants that though I’m guessing.

      • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3 hours

        When you car slams on the brakes suddenly because it thinks you’re suddenly driving on the jog road next to the highway, don’t complain to me.

        • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3 hours

          The same applies to stopping it from driving full speed into a house. Hence why I said most don’t want that. Some clear drawbacks.

          That being said, putting a max speed that is only a bit above highway speed is an easy win imo.

  • tabular@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 hours

    How can one trust the date from the car without an audit into the software/hardware running at the time?

  • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
    6 hours

    Makes sense. It’s not uncommon for people who aren’t paying attention to accidentally slam on the gas instead of the brake when they see they’re about to crash. Almost certainly what happened here.

    • cecilkorik@piefed.caEnglish
      5 hours

      Agreed, I don’t think people who haven’t experienced this can really understand it. I was accelerating into an intersection about to get hit by cross-traffic and when I saw what was inevitably going to happen my body just went rigid, and one of my feet was firmly on the accelerator. Fortunately (or unfortunately?) my car was a manual, and the other foot was firmly on the clutch, because I think I had just started or intended to change gears, so my car just drifted slowly into the intersection while roaring loudly at the rev limiter, and I only got clipped. But if my left foot had not been on the clutch, it probably would’ve been a much worse accident. There was no time for anything resembling a conscious thought. My entire body was instantly reacting, I suppose to brace itself for impact, it was very primal and instinctive. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 hours

    It’s really strange that search results are becoming so common in articles like this. I feel search results can only be used to manipulate the perception around a situation, and rarely prove anything. Guy owns a car, guy googled said car. Normal people would type something like “can I change how my self driving reacts?” “Can I speed up the acceleration for self driving?”

    Who says, “FSD to Timid” unless they are writing a shit article or being linked there by an article that was telling people about such.

    The guy was very much likely to be an idiot, but if those search results frame him in any way I feel I’d be framed for hundreds of crimes. Government: are you building a nuclear bomb? If not why were you looking into the processes on how to slow the reactions and how they have changed over the years?

    Also how does that relate to your searches about Palestine, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, S.A., U.A.E., various terrorist attacks you have googled over the years? Are you a terrorist!

    Lol, nah man… It’s the internet… Sometimes we just search things because of interests or something someone said and want to know more.

    • otacon239@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5 hours

      For what it’s worth, I’ve always aimed to write my searches in as few words as possible to avoid bringing results from other unrelated topics into it. Most of my searches read like a caveman and often don’t show much relation to one another, but I get the results I’m looking for. More reinforcement of your point than anything that search history is almost impossible to determine the motivation behind.